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Comment by Tracy Neely on March 7, 2012 at 1:03pm

I never thought of Mollie being a nickname for Mary.

I also have to consider any Latin naming patterns as John Neelys wife was an Hernandez. And from what I can discern due to the fact that the children of John Neely (Scottish/Irish ancestry) and Frances Hernandez (Latin ancestry , 1880 census says Italy but I think maybe Canary Islands) marry into the creole population in Mobile, Alabama where they are often documented as mulatto. They may have identified more with this side of the family. At least one child moved to St. Bernard Parish where there is a large Canary Island population.

What would have been the educational concerns of a 1st generation American of Scotch-Irish descent of low socioeconomic status for his daughters in the mid to late 1800s? Do you know?

Comment by Tracy Neely on March 7, 2012 at 12:40pm

Thank you for the site I am going to check it out right now.

Comment by Judy Anderson on March 7, 2012 at 12:38pm

Sorry, "Naming Pattern".

Comment by Judy Anderson on March 7, 2012 at 12:37pm

More than likely, Jr. was named after his grandfather, like his father before him.  My grandmother, which I found interesting, named her children after her sisters, but they in turn had been named by the "Naming Patter" firstly. Interesting and very helpful, though.

Comment by Judy Anderson on March 7, 2012 at 12:35pm

http://usefulenglish.ru/vocabulary/womens-names

This is a great link .  My mistake below.

My Gr. Aunt was MARY ANN, and her nickname was POLLY.  If you check this site out, and on another page is men's Nicknames, you will see a huge variance. It is very helpful. I think they used nicknames a lot, because of the naming pattern and so many in the family with the same name. I wish they had been more inventive.  It is great, when I see the name Barbara, once in a while, so much more helpful, than 10 James, 10 Williams, 10 Margarets etc. etc.

Yes, MOLLIE is one of the nicknames, used for Margaret. 

Comment by Tracy Neely on March 7, 2012 at 12:32pm

I am saying Junior lightly meaning that the second child is usually named after the father.

Comment by Tracy Neely on March 7, 2012 at 12:29pm

I understand what you mean. There are so many Thomases and Johns in my family tree  that it is hard to distinguish who  belongs to whom. Recently, I think that I found one of my great great grandfather's sisters but instead of going by the name I had seen on the census which was Mary Jane, She was using the name Mollie.  Her death certificate said Mollie Neely Daffron. She was in 1910 widowed, running a boarding house and keeping her nephew's children in New Orleans. Do you know if Mollie is a nickname for anything?

Comment by Judy Anderson on March 7, 2012 at 12:21pm

This is true,even to today, a lot of the times, in Quebec, Canada, also. 

Yes, that is the list that I have been using for years.  Good that you posted it.  I was just looking for it myself to post. You are right, it does occur in many still, and very helpful looking for siblings, etc. 

Comment by Diane Barbour on March 7, 2012 at 12:18pm

The usual Scottish naming pattern is this:

1st son Paternal Grandfather

2nd son Maternal Grandfather

3rd son, Father

1st girl Maternal Grandmother

2nd girl Paternal Grandmother

3rd girl Mother

This isn't strictly held to in all families but does occur in many.

Women traditionally did not give up their maiden names in Scotland, This is true in many other European countries, as well..

Comment by Judy Anderson on March 7, 2012 at 12:13pm

Yes, and the first female child was usually named after the maternal grandmother. So, when doing research, if there is a child missing, sometimes, it is easy to figure out who is who.  But, on the other hand, I have not seen Jr. used. A lot of times, which makes it more confusing, is the child used their middle name to go by. Or a "nickname". Margaret, in my family was "Polly".  

  The one thing, though, at least in my family, all of the children use that naming pattern.  So, imagine, if you go to a family gathering, someone calls out James, and 10 people answer "Yes".  Another sad thing, that I have seen many times, in the "older" days, if a child was born illegitimate, that "title" was carried through on their marriage cert. and even on their death cert. Scottish birth, marriage and death cert. are wonderful for records.  If a child is born, usually, if the parents are married, it states their marriage date, and also many records have not just the individuals but their parents and their parents occupations and witnesses. So helpful when researching and also many have witnesses, which a lot of times, are siblings or close relatives. I wish the English documents were so detailed.

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