Hey Caren, I thought of something you may not know. Caleb and Daniel Shreve had a sister Mary Sheffield who was an ancestor of Stephen A. Douglas, debater of Abraham Lincoln. You can verify this on his ahnentafel available at Famouskin.com. On the matter of what Huttel means, I found that in parts of Bavaria, Huttler means "carpenter." The u has an umlaut over it, so that's why it was changed to Huettel in English because we don't have an umlaut. Jack
Hi Caren. Thanks for your two lines. It seems our lines split off in both cases right immediately after immigration. Thomas Shreve or Sheriff had Caleb and Daniel, and Richard Haines had Richard and Joseph (born after the death of his father at sea). Bet you don't have any posthumous ancestors like that. On another subject, Huettel sounds like it could be Amish. Is it? And do you know what it means in German? I am really into the meanings of surnames. Thanks, Jack
We may be closer related thru the Haines family (Richard who died sea in 1682) than thru the Shreves, who split off in New England with Caleb (your ancestor?) going to New Jersey and Daniel (mine) eventually off to Virginia.
The Knapp's that I am closely related to come from Joseph, who, I believe was born in Prussia in August 1790 and immigrated to the US by 1840 when he shows up in Buffalo, NY. He is my 2nd GGF. I do have a Nicholas Knopp way back in my ancestry. He lived in Suffolk England in the 1600's. I am related to him through along series of marriages.
Hi Caren, Thanks for the welcome. Yes Ivins and Ivens are variants, however, we have never found a link between the PA/MD Ivens family and the NJ Ivins'. However, my husband was friends with Jimmy (James) Ivins from Riverside NJ before he passed away at a young age. We are still in touch with his son and I have a distant cousin on my paternal grandmother's side who is friends with Frank Ivins from NJ. Really is a small world when we start to search.
I just read your comment on the chat page as to who your 17th Great grand parents are The Courteneys they are mine as well they take a long line through an Irish convict that was sent to Australia, down to me.