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Medieval English Genealogy

This group is for anyone who has an interest in medieval English genealogy. This period is often overlooked by genealogists but rich resources are available.

Location: England
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Latest Activity: Oct 28, 2020

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The Dispenser Family Redux

Started by Jim F. Last reply by Jim F Sep 27, 2010. 3 Replies


Started by James P. LaLone. Last reply by Randall Stackhouse Sep 24, 2010. 1 Reply

LANCASTER descendants

Started by James P. LaLone. Last reply by James P. LaLone Sep 7, 2010. 5 Replies

WESSEX rulers

Started by James P. LaLone. Last reply by J Leaming Jul 21, 2010. 6 Replies


Started by James P. LaLone. Last reply by GaryRea May 30, 2010. 17 Replies


Started by Steve Baldock Dec 18, 2009. 0 Replies

English Drake's

Started by Pamela Ann Drake Dec 17, 2009. 0 Replies

LINDSAY Ahnentafel, pt.1

Started by James P. LaLone. Last reply by James P. LaLone Dec 2, 2009. 1 Reply

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Comment by James P. LaLone on December 21, 2011 at 12:02pm

Got a response on another message board regarding my HOLMES family -

"This must be the William Holmes who came on the Hercules in 1635 [NEHGR 75:219], settled first at Scituate [PCR 8:182], and removed by 1658 to Marshfield [PCR 8:201].

The maiden name of his wife Elizabeth is not known. Very little is known of her, mainly that she died at Marshfield 17-Feb-1698 at the age of 86 [Marshfield VR 19; MD 5:233]. William's ancestry is not known. Note that Rev. John Holmes. husband of Mary Wood/Atwood, was not a son of William. See the sketch of the family of William Holmes at 3:392-397 in Robert Charles Anderson, "The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England 1634-1635," 7 Volumes (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999-2011).

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of"

Just think, there are 102 family trees out there changing history! Careful what you copy.

Comment by James P. LaLone on December 20, 2011 at 1:51pm

I am searching for the maiden name of Elizabeth, wife of William HOLMES, b. c. 1591/2 in England, who settled in Plymouth Co., MA. There are a number of trees on WorldConnect giving Elizabeth's maiden name as MADDEN. Can anyone produce documentation for that? Also William's lineage is given on about 102 trees (some with sources but no documentation), all which state that the gr-gr-grandfather is William HOLMES m. to Catherine HILYARD. However, the only source that I have found so far is the Yorkshire Visitation that states William HOLMES (the gr-gr-grandfather) was married to Ellen HILYARD and who had no son William (gr-grandfather) to my ancestor William who married Elizabeth and settled in MA.

Can anyone provide documentation to this lineage if it really exists, thanks, Jim.

Comment by Christy K Robinson on April 18, 2011 at 3:06pm
Descendants of William Marshal: guest post by historical novelist Elizabeth Chadwick re John Marshal, his father.
Comment by James P. LaLone on April 17, 2011 at 11:26am
Comment by James P. LaLone on April 17, 2011 at 8:52am

Interesting site:

Comment by J Leaming on March 16, 2011 at 6:52pm
Can you provide more information than just a name? For example do you have dates of birth, marriage, death--who he married, his children, what honors or titles he may have held? It would also be very helpful to know what source or sources you used to find this earliest ancestor? Anything would be helpful.
Comment by Patricia Andersen on March 16, 2011 at 6:24pm
Would love to find what I believe is Norman Ancestry of Roger Ablard in Lincolnshire by 1500s - my earliest English ancestor.
Comment by J Leaming on September 6, 2010 at 10:17am
You're welcome.
Comment by Ms ROBIN COFFMAN on September 5, 2010 at 5:24pm
Thank you J. for the helpful information. I will see where this leads me.
Comment by J Leaming on September 4, 2010 at 4:13pm
According to Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition, p. 69, Henry VIII's affair with Mary Boleyn lasted from at least Feb. 1523 to May 1526, while she was still married to William Cary. Only during this period did Mary have pregnancies (Katherine was born abut 1524), until her marriage to her second husband, William Stafford. The article went on to state that probably Katherine was the daughter of Henry instead of William. In a footnote of that same source, on p. 70, is the following excerpt: "...evidence that William Carey did not father his putative children; the paternal interest shown by King Henry to Katherine and Henry, as well as the extraordinary favour shown them by Queen Elizabeth."

Unfortunately, this may have been the opinion of many at the time but it can't be definitely proved which was her father. Apparently she was at least tacitly claimed to be the daughter of William and Henry never openly acknowledged her as his daughter. Nonetheless, Katherine was a descendant of English, French, Anglo-Saxon, etc. royalty through her mother (a descendant of Henry III), but so was William Carey. So regardless of whether her father was Henry VIII or William, she's still a royal descendant on both her father and mother's sides. Some genealogy programs have a way to show an alternate parent so you might explore your program to see if it’s capable of doing this.


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