Brick Walls we all have them

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Comment by Carmel M Reynen on October 7, 2010 at 5:37am

Hi Cathy
There is an 1841 and 1851 census for a Hugh and Mary in Port Glasgow
Name: Hugh Harper
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Port Glasgow
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Wood Lane
Occupation: Canvas Weaver
Parish Number: 574
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Smith 45
Jane Smith 45
Donald Anderson 25
Hugh Harper 26
Mary Harper 25
Mary Harper 4 MO
Mary Ann Conars 12

Here is the 1861 census for him an Marjary
Name: Hugh Harper
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margery Harper
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil parish: Greenock East
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 53 Main St
Occupation: Labourer Railway
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 46
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1861_76
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Harper 39
Margery Harper 21
Neil Mclean 29
Allan Mclean 30


Hugh Harper
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Harper
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Parish Number: 574
Civil parish: Paisley Middle Church
Town: Port Glasgow
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Willisons Lane
Occupation: Raibrood Labourer
ED: 7
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1851_127
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Harper 36
Mary Harper 35
Mary Harper 8
William Harper 28
Nancy Harper 30
John Harper 25
Catherine Harper 22
Isabella Harper 13
James Harper 6 MO

Cannot find them in the 71 or 81
As for the age, often people did not keep a track of thier ages. maybe one of the children took a guess, a marriage is more reliable as he would have been the one to give the information
hope this helps if only a little, As for Irish records I have never had a breakthrough there yet.

Comment by Cathy SUMMERSELL on October 7, 2010 at 4:50am

My dad hit a brick wall years ago and even now that he has passed away and i am carrying on the family tree i have been trying to break the wall down with no success. I have the death and mariage cerificate of
Hugh HARPER
Born 1 feb 1817
donegal Ireland
married Marjory/Margery FARREN/FERAN
28 Jan 1855 Port, Glasgow, Lanarkshire Scotland
Died 11 DEC 1883 Greenock Scotland.
His parents on the certificatesay
James HARPER and Mary Ann KELLY
Both born in IRELAND and Roman Catholic.
It also said that Hugh was married to a
Mary CALLAN first.
I cant find any info on her or his parents. I dont even know if he has brothers and sisters. Did the parents move to Greenock with Hugh since he was married in Greenock it could have been when he was a child.
There is something interesting on the death and marriage certificate. as he was born in 1817 in 1855 it registers as he was 37 which is correct. But on his death certificate registered 1883 it is saying he is /was 54 my calculation he should be 66yrs. Can anyone solved the error or is it just human error. This is my brick wall

Comment by Judy Webster on August 23, 2010 at 2:49am

Narelle, try looking for young William in baptism records, school admission records and hospital admission registers. Some relevant indexes are mentioned in 'Specialist Indexes in Australia: a genealogist's guide'. See www.judywebster.gil.com.au/si-98.html and www.judywebster.gil.com.au/si-06.html.

Comment by Narelle McIntyre on August 12, 2010 at 10:26pm

Yes, I did try NZ BDM and "Papers Past" Found the eldest sibling, Emma Jane had died in NZ in 1913.
The only William Gadsby's death recorded in NZ of that period was at Patea cemetery but when I ordered that certificate, his father was a Samuel Gadsby
from England.
Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Comment by Carmel M Reynen on August 12, 2010 at 8:03pm

have you tried NZ records, many of these people went to either NZ or WA, Queensland is another area.

Comment by Narelle McIntyre on August 12, 2010 at 4:14pm

Hi

Thanks for replying to my 'brick wall'. William Junior was still alive in 1868 when his youngest sibling, Arthur, was born.
When father William died in 1869 (killed in an accident), the crtificate listed 6 boys and 2 girls (no names) but there were 8 children born to William and Sophia in total.
I'm fairly sure his name appears on his mothers' death crtificate in 1903.

The inquest into a death at Mt Ararat in 1857 of a William Gadsby could be true if the date has been recorded incorrectly, as William was only born around1855/1856.
Thanks for the information on William senior enrolled to vote in 1856 elections.
I'll keep chipping away at my brick wall!
Scarlett

Comment by Albertus Lang on August 11, 2010 at 5:23am

IO have also found some in Pioneer 1836/1888,Parents-William &Sophia Giddins,Henry Born 1857 Creswick,Reg no 15086,David born 1859 Dowling Forest Rego no 19522,James Born 1861 Learmonth Rego no 14194,Elizabeth Born 1863 Learmonth Rego no 21252,Robert Born 1865 Asco Rego no 23848,Arthur Born 1868 Miners Rest Rego no 18298,James Died 1871 Vic Age 10,hope that helps Albertus.

Comment by Carmel M Reynen on August 11, 2010 at 5:15am

Scarlet I have also found William (father) on the Electoral Roll for 1856. He was listed as an Ascot (place) farmer and was a tennant for Mr Waldie. (still have not found son William)

Comment by Carmel M Reynen on August 11, 2010 at 4:55am

for Scarlet, not sure where the post went?
I have found a couple of inquests
Digger - Inquest Index. Victoria 1840 - 1985

turns out the second fellow was 46 and was born London
you could get the birth certificate of one of the younger children, which where you may have found him!
have you got the parents deaths, this may say if he is still alive at the time of thier deaths, particulaly the mother if this is the fathers death above.
Ballarat is my area, I live in the district.
Query
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Surname : gadsby (3 matches)

Total matching records: 3
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Surname: GADSBY
Given Names: William
Age:
Place: Mount Ararat
Year: 1857
Reference: 529
Sex: M
Cause: Exposure and Exhaustion and intemperance
Occupation: Miner
Inq Date:
Nationality:
Ship:
Notes:

Surname: GADSBY
Given Names: William
Age:
Place: Ballarat
Year: 1869
Reference: 413
Sex: M
Cause: Fall From wagon
Occupation:
Inq Date:
Nationality:
Ship:
Notes:

Comment by Connie Underwood on August 10, 2010 at 6:06pm

Wow Tracie
that is great.. Adoption records can be so difficult (I am an adoptee). But the break throughs are wonderful.

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