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Comment by Marianne Szabo on February 9, 2012 at 3:39pm

To John Bhend - I suggest you try marriage and baptism records from here in the U.S. for your ancestors as a source of the city/village they came from. Catholic church records I have requested from U.S. dioceses that were for the late 1800s to the early 1900s sometimes asked where immigrants originally lived (sometimes called "ex loco" in the records) if they were witnesses to marriages or godparents at baptisms. Early naturalizations often only show the country of origin, while those from later years (particularly after 1926) had much more information. Finally, if any ancestors were still "aliens" in 1940, they would have had to complete an Alien Registration Form that has 2 pages of detailed information (my Slovak grandmother who was born in 1865 and immigrated in 1906 had to complete one).

Comment by John C. Bhend on February 9, 2012 at 2:44pm

Catherine Davis --- Frederick and Peter are the same person, his full name is Frederick Peter Sondregger.

Thank you for confirming the census records --- they are the same I found except for the 1910 which for some reason I missed. And, thank you for your assistance the information is very helpful.  As usual in my experience the problem is getting back across the pond to Austria or Germany

Comment by Michelle McGee on February 9, 2012 at 2:40pm

@Catherine-Thanks for the insight. Sorry for the broken sentences, someone is talking over my shoulder.

Comment by Michelle McGee on February 9, 2012 at 2:39pm

Catherine, it was Obersilesia or I guess just Silesia. It was on the German-Polish border that kept changing. The Schades were Catholic. They were pretty staunch in the faith. I just know of my great-grandfather who came. Don't know who was before him, those were left behind in Konigshutte.

Comment by Catherine Davis on February 9, 2012 at 2:35pm

@Michelle, which Konigshutte?  There are several in Germany, in different states.  If you are looking for the one in Silesia, LDS has protestant church records and Jewish records, which you could rent from a Family History Center.  See familysearch.org.

Also on familysearch.org, a people search yields transcriptions of Germany records for many Schades, but it didn't look like any were from Konigshutte.

Comment by Catherine Davis on February 9, 2012 at 2:18pm

@John Bhend--continuation of message below.

I found Marie and children in 1910.  They are in precinct 6, Summit on Main Street in a rented house.  According to the census, she had had 7 children, of whom 5 were living:

Minnie, age 17

Mary, age 15

Peter, age 12

John, age 9

Lizzie, age 7

I wonder if Peter and Fred are the same person, a Peter Frederick or a Frederick Peter, perhaps.

Comment by Catherine Davis on February 9, 2012 at 2:09pm

@John Bhend--according to the 1900 census, John and Marie Sondregger were living in Summit, Colorado, had been married 9 years, had had 5 children, all of whom were living in 1900.  Birth month and years listed as

John, age 48, saloon proprietor, b. Dec 1851, Germany, immigrated 1867, naturalized

Marie, age 31, b. Mar 1869,  Austria, immigrated 1889

Edward, age 8, b. Nov 1891, Colorado

Minnie, age 7 b. Mar 1893, Colorado

Marie, age 5, b. Feb 1895, Colorado

Fred, age 3, b May 1897, Colorado

John, age 6/12, b. Nov 1899, Colorado

In 1910, John was listed alone, living on Blue Road in Dillon, Summit, CO in a home he owned but was mortgaged.  This census claimed he was born in Aust-Germ and was a stock farmer.  In 1920 and 1930, Marie was also there and in 1920, two children, John, 20, and Elizabeth, 18 were also there, he was born in Austria, Marie in Germany.  According to this census, he was a farmer on a hay farm, immigrated 1868 and was naturalized in 1914.  Marie immigrated 1888 and was naturalized 1894.

I couldn't find him in the 1870 or 1880 censuses, but in the 1885 Colorado State Census, there is a Jno Sondregger, age 27 (I think--hard to tell final digit), a miner, b. Germany.

You might want to check with the Summit County clerk to see if there is a marriage record for John and Marie and with the county court for naturalization records.

Also, the catalog on familysearch.org shows that LDS has microfilms of several parishes in Feldkirch, Austria.  You might want to rent them from a Family History Center.

Comment by Heather Mitchell Groves on February 9, 2012 at 8:42am

Hello,  I am looking for information on my  Herbert/Herber/Harber relatives from Obererthal, Bad Kissingen, Bavaria.  My great great grandfather was Peter Harber from Obererthal who settled in Fort Wayne, Indiana with his brother Valentine Herber.  Peter was the son of Anna Maria Funck/Funk and Conrad Herbert according to his baptismal record.  I cannot locate any information on Anna Maria and the only Conrad Herbert I can find in Germany has a different wife (Anna Maria Bopp). 

Any thoughts as to where to look next would be appreciated.

Comment by Michelle McGee on February 9, 2012 at 8:06am

Does anyone know information about the Schade family in Konigshutte before they came to the United States? Before the early 1900s?

Comment by John C. Bhend on February 9, 2012 at 2:57am

Looking for information on my Greatgrandfather John Sondregger, b. 24 Dec 1853 in Feldkirch Austria, d. 22 Feb 1930 Dillon, Summit Co. Colorado. Married to Marie RUEFF unknown date. Children Edward b. Nov 1891, Minnie b. Mar 1893, Marie b. 23 Feb 1896 (my grandmother) d. 25 Dec 1989, Fred Pete (possibly Fredrick) b. May 1897, John Jr. b. 30 Nov 1899 d. Jul 1982, and Elizabeth b. abt 1901d. abt 1929.

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