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Comment by Barbara Butler on September 11, 2009 at 7:08pm

Hi Ellen,

THis is the only other information I have on his sister
Juana Manuela Ramos Medina of Lares. I am pleased to inform you that she is well and lives at the home of Mr. Baltazar Marquez and his wife Mrs . Hortensia Carbonell de Marquez. I belive she has lived with them for several years, she is single and to my knowledge her conduct is one of good morals and she is loved by all. As this family travel's frequently to San Juan (???).

It was written by a dective I guess he was looking for his sister. The church in
Lares had no other information on this family. So real brick wall here.

Comment by Ellen Fernandez-Sacco, Ph.D. on September 11, 2009 at 5:51pm

Barbara,
This baptism is so intriguing, since I have Ramos & Hernandez in my line but in Moca. I don't know if someone on the list might have some additional information. There was also the compound surname Hernandez de Medina, which often was shortened to Medina. Of course I found some individuals in Lares who might be connected (the dates fit) in Barrios Lares & Mirasol, but its impossible to say without additional info. Any chance you have another sibling of Manuel Ambrosio's?

Comment by Barbara Butler on August 27, 2009 at 10:43am

I only have the Baptism Record from the Lares Parish

Baptism Record Translation (have this copy)
Don Ramon Martinez Guru, presbyter and priest of this parish of the glorious St. Joseph of Lares, Diocese of Puerto Rico certify that in bo ok 27 of the baptism archives, folio 24 is found the following record:
In this Glorious Parish St. Joseph of Lares, Diocese of Puerto Rico. On the 14 of March of 1883, Don Vicente Aquile, Parish Priest solemnly baptiz ed and put holy oil on the head of Manuel Ambrosio a boy who was born on December 7th 1882, last legitimate son of Salome Ramos and Genara Medina, P aternal grandparents Francisco and Maria Medina; maternal grandparents, Je sus and Rosa Hernandez, all of this parish, Godparents, Manuel Duran and P ilar Rodriguez who I instructed regarding their holy obligation to which attest.
This is a true copy of the originally cited book and folio on this 13th d ay of September of 1916.

Comment by Ray Rodriguez on August 13, 2009 at 8:49pm

Hi Ellen,
Just joined the site and group today.
Ray Rodriguez y Burgos

Comment by Carlos Soto on July 28, 2009 at 11:02am

Hi Ellen,
Just joined the site and group today.

Carlos

Comment by Ellen Fernandez-Sacco, Ph.D. on July 28, 2009 at 12:10am

Hi Barbara,
Tried searching some sources, but it's really difficult without a paternal surname. Also didn't turn up in the 1910 census, but there are many Ramos in Lares (over 980 come up in the census results). I wonder why he went to SF.
Let me know if you have something more....
Ellen
Let me know if you have anything more-- a birth record

Comment by Barbara Butler on July 20, 2009 at 1:22pm

Just noticed I don't have an obituary for Manual....

MANUAL AMBROSIO RAMOS was born 07 Dec 1882 in Lares, PR, and died 31 Oct 1923 in San Francisco, San Francisco, CA. He married ANNA MARIA CAROLINE BERTHA LAUMEISTER 10 Oct 1917 in San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, daughter of JOHANN LAUMEISTER and ELISABETHA WILLRICH. She was born 19 Jun 1892 in San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, and died 15 Jan 1965 in Concord, Contra Costa, CA.


San Francisco Directory's'

1920 - Manuel A. Ramos - (Annie M.), clerk, resides 254 Coleridge
1933 - Ramos, Anna Mrs, resides 531 Andover
1937 - Ramos, Anna (widow Manuel), resides 531 Andover

More About MANUAL AMBROSIO RAMOS:
Baptism: 14 Mar 1883, St. Joseph, Lares, Puerto Rico
Burial: 03 Nov 1923, Holy Cross Cemetery, Colma, CA Dormtory L - Sta 21 -Grave 90
Cause of Death: Meningitis- Tubercular
Medical Information: about 4 years
Occupation: Salesman
Religion: Catholic
Residence: 1923, 21 Windfield Ave., San Francisco, CA

Notes for ANNA MARIA CAROLINE BERTHA LAUMEISTER:
Marriage License information
Manuel Rames age 35 and Annie Marie Wagar age 25 married by Justice of the Peace 10 Oct 1917

Remarried at St. Boniface Catholic Church on 1 July 1918 San Francisco, CA

Comment by Barbara Butler on July 20, 2009 at 1:08pm

Wrong Manual mine died in1923 when my mother was born.
The letter was in my grandmothers trunk, which I inherited when my mother
died in 1989 along with German letters, divorce papers, tons of pictures which
some I know and the others aren't written on.
Manual was a real ladies man and mean to my grandmother.. Nanas father threatened he better never hurt his daughter again. Funny thing my great grandfather is buried on top of Manual...

I am in Pittsburg, CA


WWII drft card regestration Sept 12, 1918
med height slender build brown eyes black hair
used his baptism date for when he was born - not sure why
left arm broken disqualified

Comment by Ellen Fernandez-Sacco, Ph.D. on July 20, 2009 at 11:33am

Barb, by any chance are you in SF? I live in Oakland.
I will check to see... interesting that he married a German woman, have same situation in my extended family too. Thanks for supplying the info. How did you get the letter from the 1920s? I have some sources I can check to see if I can find anything further on Manuel... There's a Manual Ramos on a ship from Germany to NYC, about the same age, 5'8" 152 lbs, member of the crew of the SS Leviathan, arrived NY May 13 1932 from Bremerhaven. This Manual was born in 1882, but in Spain according to the ship list on NY Passenger Lists. Perhaps an intriguing coincidence. What I find remarkable is that he turns up in SF about the time of WW1.

1910 Census Bo. Poblacion, Lares 4B
Calle Comercio
Baltazal Marquez Y Palan 40 1st marr- 7 yrs- born Spain, arr. 1887
Hortensia Carbonell Y Casabo de Marquez 42- 2nd marriage
Emma Aldruin Y Carbonell 5- sobrina
Pia Lasalle 32- S- criada 1 child
Isabel Lopez 16 - criada

Balthazar worked in a drugstore - appears as Dependiente Drogueria in the 1910 census; by 1920 he had moved with Hortensia to Bo. San Franciso of San Juan on Calle ODonell. Was a merchant.

I can't seem to find them in the 1930 census, so they may have died by then...
More later,
Ellen

Comment by Barbara Butler on July 20, 2009 at 9:59am

This is all the information I have on Manual. He told my grandmother (His wife) that they were from Castile Spain. According to decteive letter sister was alive no mention of parents.

MANUAL AMBROSIO RAMOS was born 07 Dec 1882 in Lares, PR, and died 31 Oct 1923 in San Francisco, San Francisco, CA. He married ANNA MARIA CAROLINE BERTHA LAUMEISTER 10 Oct 1917 in San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, daughter of JOHANN LAUMEISTER and ELISABETHA WILLRICH. She was born 19 Jun 1892 in San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, and died 15 Jan 1965 in Concord, Contra Costa, CA.

Notes for MANUAL AMBROSIO RAMOS:
Translation of letter written from Detective Juan Blanco of the Porto Ri co Insular Police Department to Manual Ramos in regards to his sister... .. No date think between 1918-1923... have original letter
Dear Sir: Several days ago I received a letter form Hace Lumano who asks me in your name to inquire into the whereabouts of your sister, Juana Manuela Ramos Medina of Lares. I am pleased to inform you that she is well and lives at the home of Mr. Baltazar Marquez and his wife Mrs . Hortensia Carbonell de Marquez. I belive she has lived with them for several years, she is single and to my knowledge her conduct is one of good morals and she is loved by all. As this family travel's frequently to San Juan (???). If you wish to write her you may address your letter to P.O. Box 103, Lares, PR. She was very happy to hear that you were inquiring about her and I believe that anything you can do for your sister, heaven will bless you. I am informed she is well treated at that ho me where she is a servant but you are the judge of that! As a friend I advise you to write her directly as she knows you are making inquiries about her and awaits your letter. With no other news I remain. Juan Blanco

Baptism Record Translation (have this copy)
Don Ramon Martinez Guru, presbyter and priest of this parish of t he glorious St. Joseph of Lares, Diocese of Puerto Rico certify that in bo ok 27 of the baptism archives, folio 24 is found the following record:
In this Glorious Parish St. Joseph of Lares, Diocese of Puerto Rico. On the 14 of March of 1883, Don Vicente Aquile, Parish Priest solemnly baptiz ed and put holy oil on the head of Manuel Ambrosio a boy who was born on December 7th 1882, last legitimate son of Salome Ramos and Genara Medina, P aternal grandparents Francisco and Maria Medina; maternal grandparents, Je sus and Rosa Hernandez, all of this parish, Godparents, Manuel Duran and P ilar Rodriguez who I instructed regarding their holy obligation to which attest.
This is a true copy of the originally cited book and folio on this 13th d ay of September of 1916.

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