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I would like to open a discussion about navigating SMGF's webpages when seeking our data. I believe the pages are deliberately somewhat opaque because of SMGF's basic research focus, but some of us who have tested would like a bit of guidance. In return for our genealogies, I think we'd like to be able to locate and understand our results when they are uploaded. This discussion is for us to post our questions, and hopefully to get answers.

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To start my discussion, I have two questions I hope someone can answer:

1. I tested mtDNA with both FTDNA and SMGF (about two years ago). I cannot seem to find my SMGF results on its page. (Probably I just don't know how....) If I input FTDNA's results I am there, pedigree and all. Two purple non-matches show up in the area of FTDNA's 522- and 523- even for my own pedigree result, and I cannot find myself with fewer than those two "mismatches." I don't know how to input anything that will show SMGF's own results. A search on my surname(s) brings up the pedigree record I submitted, but all the squares are purple mismatches. The pedigree is mine and there are no matches, whereas the other search inputting FTDNA's results shows a few with those "minus-2" matches. I hope they are actually matches and that SMGF's nomenclature for these markers is just different. If I could find SMGF's markers, or nomenclature for their markers, maybe I could be sure.

2. Where on SMGF's pages is the haplogroup of the submitted result displayed? I've searched around with the difficulty noted above, but nowhere do I find where the haplogroup of my sample (or my minus-2 matches) is shown.

According to FTDNA I am:
HVR1: 16287T
HVR2: 73G, 146C, 263G, 315.1C, 522-, 523-
Haplogroup H4 (relatively quite rare, I believe)

I must really be missing something with my exploration of SMGF's pages. Any help out there?
Tim Janzen from the Mennonite DNA study posted some helpful guidelines on this topic in two PDF documents (for the Ycs and mtDNA portion of the database). They are accessible at the website www.MennoniteDNA.com.
With regards of your two questions:

1. FTDNA recently changed the way they report the deletion of minisatellite CA at location 522-523. SMGF still reports that same deletion as two events 523d and 524d. You should try entering your FTDNA results to search the SMGF database using 523d and 523d instead of 522- and 523-. Let me know if it works.

2. SMGF does not report haplogroup information as they are not relevant for matching purposes in the two databases currently available on their website. However, SMGF has provided www.GENETREE.com with all the tools and information about haplogroups (descriptions, distribution, predictions, world migrations, world phylogenetic trees, etc.). All you have to do is to create a free account with www.GENETREE.com and upload your mtDNA data from FTDNA. Remember to use 523d and 524d for the double deletion. You will be able to enjoy a number of tools to help you understand your mtDNA haplotype.

Joan Foster said:
To start my discussion, I have two questions I hope someone can answer:

1. I tested mtDNA with both FTDNA and SMGF (about two years ago). I cannot seem to find my SMGF results on its page. (Probably I just don't know how....) If I input FTDNA's results I am there, pedigree and all. Two purple non-matches show up in the area of FTDNA's 522- and 523- even for my own pedigree result, and I cannot find myself with fewer than those two "mismatches." I don't know how to input anything that will show SMGF's own results. A search on my surname(s) brings up the pedigree record I submitted, but all the squares are purple mismatches. The pedigree is mine and there are no matches, whereas the other search inputting FTDNA's results shows a few with those "minus-2" matches. I hope they are actually matches and that SMGF's nomenclature for these markers is just different. If I could find SMGF's markers, or nomenclature for their markers, maybe I could be sure.

2. Where on SMGF's pages is the haplogroup of the submitted result displayed? I've searched around with the difficulty noted above, but nowhere do I find where the haplogroup of my sample (or my minus-2 matches) is shown.

According to FTDNA I am:
HVR1: 16287T
HVR2: 73G, 146C, 263G, 315.1C, 522-, 523-
Haplogroup H4 (relatively quite rare, I believe)

I must really be missing something with my exploration of SMGF's pages. Any help out there?
Thanks so much Ugo. Substituting 523 and 524 cleared those offending purple squares to pink. I had hoped that it was just a difference in nomenclature as it is. Also the reference to Tom Janzen's excellent step-by-step guide to entering results is great. I've downloaded it for future reference.

While I know that, in general, haplogroups may not be very significant, in my short experience with genetic genealogy testing, I have, or know of, three folk whose final group is so rare as to be meaningful in a genealogic time frame. This includes me as it lead me to a previously unknown cousin from an unexpected branch of the family. And I know of two others, whose group either proved or disproved closely held family secrets or beliefs. So haplogroups do have genealogic significance, and I'll head off to GENETREE for further help.
Joan


Ugo A. Perego said:
With regards of your two questions:

1. FTDNA recently changed the way they report the deletion of minisatellite CA at location 522-523. SMGF still reports that same deletion as two events 523d and 524d. You should try entering your FTDNA results to search the SMGF database using 523d and 523d instead of 522- and 523-. Let me know if it works.

2. SMGF does not report haplogroup information as they are not relevant for matching purposes in the two databases currently available on their website. However, SMGF has provided www.GENETREE.com with all the tools and information about haplogroups (descriptions, distribution, predictions, world migrations, world phylogenetic trees, etc.). All you have to do is to create a free account with www.GENETREE.com and upload your mtDNA data from FTDNA. Remember to use 523d and 524d for the double deletion. You will be able to enjoy a number of tools to help you understand your mtDNA haplotype.

Joan Foster said:
To start my discussion, I have two questions I hope someone can answer:

1. I tested mtDNA with both FTDNA and SMGF (about two years ago). I cannot seem to find my SMGF results on its page. (Probably I just don't know how....) If I input FTDNA's results I am there, pedigree and all. Two purple non-matches show up in the area of FTDNA's 522- and 523- even for my own pedigree result, and I cannot find myself with fewer than those two "mismatches." I don't know how to input anything that will show SMGF's own results. A search on my surname(s) brings up the pedigree record I submitted, but all the squares are purple mismatches. The pedigree is mine and there are no matches, whereas the other search inputting FTDNA's results shows a few with those "minus-2" matches. I hope they are actually matches and that SMGF's nomenclature for these markers is just different. If I could find SMGF's markers, or nomenclature for their markers, maybe I could be sure.

2. Where on SMGF's pages is the haplogroup of the submitted result displayed? I've searched around with the difficulty noted above, but nowhere do I find where the haplogroup of my sample (or my minus-2 matches) is shown.

According to FTDNA I am:
HVR1: 16287T
HVR2: 73G, 146C, 263G, 315.1C, 522-, 523-
Haplogroup H4 (relatively quite rare, I believe)

I must really be missing something with my exploration of SMGF's pages. Any help out there?
Dear Joan, I am glad I could be of help.

Please note that I never stated in my comments that haplogroups are not relevant genealogically. I simply said that SMGF does not report them for MATCHING purposes. In my mind these are two different things. I use haplogroups all the time in my research, both scientific and genealogical.

Ugo
Ugo,
Does adding the d to the mutations with the - from FTDNA give me the matches I am seeking?
Its interesting to know that you should add the D verses the -. Does this apply to all mutations with deletions?

Ruth
I like the GeneTree.com website for viewing my SMGF data. It will be great when they hook up to the new FamilySearch database!

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