Caroline E. (Conklin) Lyon

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Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on July 23, 2009 at 4:23pm

Hi-

Do you know where Theodore and Caroline married? Is Elizabeth her middle name? what other information do you have on her parents?

Did John Conklin fight in the Civil War?

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on July 24, 2009 at 4:45am

Not sure where they married. I would guess that Elizabeth is her middle name, but I really don't know that for sure. Always suspected it was. Wish I knew something about her parents. All I know is from the death certificate. I'd love to connect her to her parents through a census report or other records.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on July 24, 2009 at 11:43am

1880 census says New York.

Name: Caroline Lyon
Home in 1880: Newark, Gratiot, Michigan
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse's Name: Theodore
Father's birthplace: New York
Mother's birthplace: New York
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female

Children have her listed as being born in New York in census reports after her death as well.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on July 26, 2009 at 9:29am

Definitely wish I could be in two places at once. ;) Yeah, that's the clue alright. 1930 census says Kansas as well, but the rest of the census reports say Michigan, one says Nebraska.

Should call the county then about deeds. I don't know what the deal is, but generally when I've called county or local offices in Michigan, I'm run around in circles and people aren't very helpful. I'll let you know if I get anywhere. It's funny, it's almost without fail, too.

Thank you so much for all the tips! :) Really appreciate it. :D This is my direct maternal line (Anna is my great great great grandma), so it would be nice to get a little farther considering the census reports should be there.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on July 28, 2009 at 9:35pm

Okay, may be getting somewhere thanks to your help! :)

I didn't mention calling the county courthouse in Kansas, because I had already emailed a couple librarians in Kansas who had the book. I wanted to see about that first. Got a reply today that Caroline and Theodore are indeed in there. No more information, but that he was going to mail me a copy of the page of it for free. Definitely going to try calling the county office tomorrow and see if they can get me a photocopy of the original records (read on the Pattawatomie County website that the book was kind of falling apart)--if they have marriage returns, etc. That would be just wonderful.

I didn't take any other steps yet. So exciting! It's something. I've only been researching my family history for three years and have taken many strides, but this one and Albert Coss have really thrown me for a loop. In both cases, both of them should appear in certain census reports, as I've said, and haven't been able to pull any tricks out of the bag to find them. With the latter, there's so much in the Washington Digital Archives. It's puzzling to me that I can't find anything else of any value in there.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on August 3, 2009 at 5:21pm

Well, I have the marriage date.

5 Oct 1873

Married by O.E. Gould; Theodore Lyons, 29 and Carrie Conklin, 18 (Pottawomie County Kansas Marriages 1856-1886).

That would make her two years older, which matches the 1880 census as well as her headstone and means her death certificate is two years off.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on November 12, 2009 at 12:23pm

You mean Theodore, right? Yes, they had a daughter Georgianna, but I think they may have moved to Michigan by then. Good thing to double check.

Indeed, same family...

1870 Census

Name: Caroline Conklin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Age in 1870: 15
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1870: Hartford Ward 3, Hartford, Connecticut
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: Hartford

Orlando E Gould 30
Emma Gould 28
Mary Gould 7
Emma Gould 2
Walter Gould 8/12
Caroline Conklin 15

1880 Census

Name: O. E. Gould
Home in 1880: Shannon, Pottawatomie, Kansas
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Maine
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Mary E.
Father's birthplace: Maine
Mother's birthplace: Maine
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Carpenters & Joiner
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male


Name Age
O. E. Gould 38
Mary E. Gould 38
May H. Gould 16
Emma N. Gould 12
Walter A. Gould 10
Frederick Gould 8
Ada P. Gould 6
Charles E. Gould 3
Minnie F. Goouold 1
Henry Rahmussen 28
Marth Reed 60

Attachments:

• 1870 Census - Orlando Gould.jpeg, 900 KB
• 1880 Census - Orlando Gould.jpeg, 2.7 MB

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on November 12, 2009 at 1:58pm

Thanks for the pension file on Orlando. I had been looking through the John Conklins on Footnote the other night. Kind of sent me in the direction of a theory I've been formulating in the last day or so.

I suspect Caroline might be from this family, but I have only subjective piecing together to back me up on this...

1850 Census

Name: John H Conklin
Age in 1860: 55
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Southold, Suffolk, New York
Gender: Male
Post Office: Greenport

John H Conklin 45
Sarah Conklin 32
Henry Conklin 12
Emma Conklin 9
Howard Conklin 8
David Conklin 6
Sarah Conklin 3

1860 Census

Name: John H Conklin
Age in 1860: 55
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Southold, Suffolk, New York
Gender: Male
Post Office: Greenport

John H Conklin 55
Sarah M Conklin 40
Mary E Conklin 20
John H Conklin 18
David Conklin 16
Sarah H Conklin 13
George A Conklin 8
Carrie Conklin 5
Fredrick Conklin 9.12

In 1850, the Gould family is still in Maine. Can't find him exactly in the 1860 census. Doesn't seem like anyone has taken on Orlando Gould's family.

John H. Conklin seemingly disappears after the 1870 census. Wondering if maybe these are the other younger kids. A distant cousin seems to think that Caroline was from Rockland County, NY (which is the only place where no Goulds are pretty much), but I'm just not seeing the evidence for that. It seems those Conklin families are accounted for.

Oh wait... this is interesting. Doesn't fit perfectly by the names, but it looks really promising...
http://books.google.com/books?id=pFwsAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA291&lpg=...

Have a look at that. I don't know why the feeling is so strong on this family, but now it does seem to fit. Ironic, because I'm a descendent of Thomas Sayer, one of the founders of Southampton and now here's my direct maternal line, perhaps, in Southold. Very strange.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on November 12, 2009 at 2:05pm

ROFL... it does say she married Theodore Lyons on the page. Oh man. I can't be that ridiculous. I'm not even sure how I missed that. :-O 3 or so years of searching and it's been in this book all this time!

... and it says Georgianna, too. Oh my word.

Permalink Reply by Ginny Sayre on November 12, 2009 at 3:29pm

Oh, good idea! Thanks very much. I can't believe this is solved. I'm in an utter state of disbelief. :O