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Jacob & Leanna Ramsey of Hurricane Creek (Toomsuba), Lauderdale County, MS

Hi Everyone! I'm pleased to be part of this group as you come highly recommended! I'm looking for my African-American great grandparents Jacob and Leanna Ramsey, I can trace them back to the 1870 census in Hurricane Creek, Lauderdale County, MS. Jacob was born abt 1838 and died in 1909 in Toomsuba. Different census records indicate his birth place of NC or VA. Leanna was born in AL 1850 and died in 1915 in Toomsuba. Her parents were from NC or VA, depending on the year of the census. Jacob had no birth/death certificate. Leanna's death certificate says "Don't Know" for parents. Jacob & Leanna had about 10 children, the youngest of which was my grandfather, William Ramsey, born in 1880. Jacob & Leanna homesteaded land in Toomsuba and bought/sold other parcels often, even though they could not read or write. I've hit a brick wall! Were they free prior to the civil war? Were they slaves? Who was their owner? Did they reside in MS, AL, NC or elsewhere prior to 1870? Any help or recommendations for where to search next would be greatly appreciated! I've been searching for over 10 years!

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Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on October 17, 2009 at 6:42pm
Welcome to the group, Jonnie! :)
Have you found death records for Jacob and Leanna's children? Have you been able to find Leanna's maiden name?
Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 17, 2009 at 7:10pm
I do not know Leanna's maiden name. On my grandfather William Ramsey (born 1880, as there appears to be 2 William's), the informant did not know Leann's maiden name. I probably need to obtain death certificates of my grandfather's siblings but I'm been trying to keep my costs down. I don't know the women's married name but I should certainly check for some of the older's boys' death certificate. Thanks for pushing me to do that.
Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on October 17, 2009 at 6:49pm
Hi Jonnie-

I'm attaching the image of the 1880 census, I notice there is a Charley Harwell as a cousin- it seems he was a cousin to Jacob, but not positive, as he appears to be 2 years old?
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Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 17, 2009 at 7:09pm
Yes, I've always wondered about Charley Harwell. This is another clue I need to check out--other Harwells in the neighborhood.
Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on October 17, 2009 at 6:54pm
Also found the family in 1870, I notice there is a Harrison Ramsey and a Richmond Ramsey living next door to Jacob?
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Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 17, 2009 at 7:09pm
I've always wondered if these were relatives or other ex-slaves from the same plantation assuming the same surname--if the Ramseys were slaves. Any ideas on how I can find a connection between Harrison and Richmond? Jacob did name one of his son's Richmond. Thanks you for your QUICK response! I appreciate the questions.
Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 17, 2009 at 7:48pm
Wow! I also saw the name but could not draw any definite conclusions from ancestry.com. Can't wait to see your results! That would be so awesome if my grandfather fought in the Civil War!
Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 18, 2009 at 8:03pm
Hi GeneJ, I'm going to the archives on my lunch hour on Monday or Tuesday to see what records I can find on this civil war pension record. Meanwhile, do you have anything else to share for this record? Thanks so much
Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 17, 2009 at 7:38pm
Attached is Leanna's death certificate and my grandfather William's death certificate. The informant for William is Minnie Thomas, aka Minnie Ramsey, his sibling. Thanks, you guys. This group is amazing!
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Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on October 18, 2009 at 8:35am
good morning Jonnie-

I found Richmond Ramsey in 1900, born in 1833, in NC, married to Hanna for 45 years, they had 13 children, 8 were still living in 1900. They lived in Daleville, Lauderdale County, MS.
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Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 18, 2009 at 9:56am
Good morning, Kate!

This Richmond Ramsey is a good possibility for a relative/community group of Jacob Ramsey, looking at Richmond's date of birth and where he is born. MS death certificates are not available until about 1912 or so; I will order it to see if it provides information about parents. Any other suggestions?
Permalink Reply by Jonnie Ramsey Brown on October 20, 2009 at 9:00pm
Wow, GeneJ, your resource for militiary information is amazing! I went to the National Archives today here in DC and viewed the records for Jacob Ramsey, C56 US C Inf. I don't believe this is my Jacob. I did copy some of the files just in case but there is nothing about the Jacob Ramsey in these records that leads me to believe that this is my ggrandfather. I know for a fact that my Jacob lived in Toomsuba, Lauderdale County Mississippi from at least 1870 until he died in February 1909. His death is recorded in a family bible. The papers I copied indicate that this Jacob was from Coahoma County MS and he could not prove he was in the Civil War; therefore he was not granted a pension. Let me know your recommendations for how to proceed next. Thanks!

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