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ELDER origins in Scotland
Victor ELDER's webpage, explaining the connection to Scotland as a
"Sept to the MacIntosh Clan"
(His ancestor's DNA is 11/12 and 18/25 with PETER ELDER DNA group):
see his genealogy in PA:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/e/l/d/Victor-Elder/GENE1...
"The origin of the Elder name is as follows:
"In 1160, Malcomb IV called upon the Clan Macduff
to help him withstand an attempt on his throne.
Duncan Macduff, Chief of the Macduff Clan, sent his son Shaw. At the
end of the war, Shaw was rewarded with his own noble rank and lands
and was known as Macintosh. This much we know, Supposedly, Shaw
Macduff Macintosh had several sons, the oldest of whom was known as
"The Eldar" (original spelling) and his decendants adopted this as
their surname, to distinguish their line from the rest of the clan.
The Elder name is very common in Scotland and has always been
associated with the Clan Macintosh (MacKintosh) so the tale certainly
seems plausible...
MacKintosh or McIntosh means "son of the chief or important person"
and Elder is simply the Anglicised or English form of the Gaelic
name.
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ELDER Coat of Arms - in House of Names: (2 stars - Dolphin in "S" shape)
at
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/Elder-coat-arms.htm
"Origin Displayed: Scottish
Spelling variations of this family name include: Elder, Elders, Eldar, MacNoravaich and others.
First found in Edinburghshire the present day Scottish Council Area of Midlothian in Southeastern Scotland,
which as a former county, used to encompass the city of Edinburgh, where they were seated from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D..."
" The arms were registered at Fairfield, County Lanark in 1869."
More about Coat of Arms/Crests
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Eld...
John ELDER of Steamships location at Fairfield near Glasgow:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/Steams...
--Nancy Elder Petersen,
Vancouver, WA USA
Host, ELDER DNA project
Results, Goals and Ancestor lists
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
"Sept to the MacIntosh Clan"
(His ancestor's DNA is 11/12 and 18/25 with PETER ELDER DNA group):
see his genealogy in PA:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/e/l/d/Victor-Elder/GENE1...
"The origin of the Elder name is as follows:
"In 1160, Malcomb IV called upon the Clan Macduff
to help him withstand an attempt on his throne.
Duncan Macduff, Chief of the Macduff Clan, sent his son Shaw. At the
end of the war, Shaw was rewarded with his own noble rank and lands
and was known as Macintosh. This much we know, Supposedly, Shaw
Macduff Macintosh had several sons, the oldest of whom was known as
"The Eldar" (original spelling) and his decendants adopted this as
their surname, to distinguish their line from the rest of the clan.
The Elder name is very common in Scotland and has always been
associated with the Clan Macintosh (MacKintosh) so the tale certainly
seems plausible...
MacKintosh or McIntosh means "son of the chief or important person"
and Elder is simply the Anglicised or English form of the Gaelic
name.
*****
ELDER Coat of Arms - in House of Names: (2 stars - Dolphin in "S" shape)
at
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/Elder-coat-arms.htm
"Origin Displayed: Scottish
Spelling variations of this family name include: Elder, Elders, Eldar, MacNoravaich and others.
First found in Edinburghshire the present day Scottish Council Area of Midlothian in Southeastern Scotland,
which as a former county, used to encompass the city of Edinburgh, where they were seated from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D..."
" The arms were registered at Fairfield, County Lanark in 1869."
More about Coat of Arms/Crests
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Eld...
John ELDER of Steamships location at Fairfield near Glasgow:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/Steams...
--Nancy Elder Petersen,
Vancouver, WA USA
Host, ELDER DNA project
Results, Goals and Ancestor lists
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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I've been reading books about the family of John ELDER of Glasgow, Steamship builder.
A MEMOIR of John Elder.
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US Naval Academy has:
A memoir of John Elder, engineer and ship-builder,
by William John Macquorn Rankine
Publisher: Edinburgh, London, W. Blackwood, 1871.
Digitized book online, University of California:
http://www.openlibrary.org/details/memoirofjohnelde00rankiala
His brother Alexander formed a shipping company: ELDER DEMPSTER of Liverpool.
In my notes about the book: "TRADE MAKERS: ELDER DEMPSTER"
(Page 360), I wondered,
"Who is the DAVID ELDER of Ocean Group, living in 1976?
Who are his parents?"
Re: OCEAN GROUP
... "These developments also affected the position of Elder Dempster within the Group.
Although the process of integration would continue, the operations of
its day-to-day business remained largely in its own hands.
But the decline of Ocean's other cargo-liner trades led to a growing interchange of staff and vessels; for example, a number of Blue Funnel ships were shifted to West African routes.
The formation in 1976 of an Executive Committee, which was given responsibility
for the overall control and investment decisions of the Group, was a further step in the merger process.
Fortunately, (Sir) Geoffrey Ellerton,
formerly Chairman of Elder Dempster Lines, became a member
alongside Sir Lindsay Alexander and David Elder, so it may be safely assumed
that West African interests always received a fair hearing...."
My notes for JOHN ELDER family of GLASGOW, Steamship builder, are
posted online
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/Steams...
No children are listed in his Memoir by Rankine,
or in the book about his wife and brothers David and Alexander:
"The Lady of Claremont House;
Isabella Elder, Pioneer and philanthropist,"
by C. Joan McAlpine, Argyll Publishing, 1997.
(Interlibrary loan from University of Georgia Library).
--Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder -
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