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Thomas Richards and Mary Nugent Where were you ?
Good afternoon List,
I have been searching for information, for what seems eons, with regards the whereabouts of my g g grandparents Thomas Richards and Mary Nugent between the years 1835 and 1841. Although only six years it is proving to be the most elusive of their lives.
From 1810, apart from the times spent in prison, until 1835, Thomas lived, played and eventually worked in and around the George Street / Brickfield Hill areas of Sydney. Mary did likewise with the exception of spending time in prison, from her birth in 1818 until circa 1835.
Although not having been able to locate a marriage registration for this particular couple, one has been found for a Thomas REGENT and Mary NUGENT in 1835 in the Parish of St. James in the County of Cumberland. The officiating clergy was Richard Hill.
It would appear that this is the first sighting of Thomas REGENT and the last. There have been no births registered, no deaths registered, no children born and no convict entering the Colony under this name between the years 1800 and 1900. The name Mary REGENT also doesn't exist.
I have taken this to be the marriage of my g g grandparents simply because I can find no other evidence to either confirm or deny.
There seems to be no more information recorded about the next six years until they appear in 1841 at COURABYRA Nsw in time for the birth of their first child Mary Anne. The family ultimately settle on a " run " called O'Possum Point Station ( aka Yellow Boy ) near TOOMA Nsw and are here for the next 50 odd years until the property is sold.
I have checked the NLA Australian Newspapers on-line and although Thomas is mentioned on a number of occassions no more is recorded after 1833 after he received an 18 month sentence for attempted abduction. He appears in the NSW Gazettes as having taken up the " run " in the Murrumbidgee district and also receiving a depasture license ( the property is actually in the Upper Murray region of NSW ). No more is recorded except for his death in the SMH in October 1850.
There are only two Thomas Richards recorded on the 1841 census but he is neither of these. I'm sure that Thomas and the family have been recorded but as it is only the head of the house and or the name of the proprietor that is recorded it is impossible to track them down though the census.
Any suggestions about his / her whereabouts during this time would be appreciated.
Arnie
I have been searching for information, for what seems eons, with regards the whereabouts of my g g grandparents Thomas Richards and Mary Nugent between the years 1835 and 1841. Although only six years it is proving to be the most elusive of their lives.
From 1810, apart from the times spent in prison, until 1835, Thomas lived, played and eventually worked in and around the George Street / Brickfield Hill areas of Sydney. Mary did likewise with the exception of spending time in prison, from her birth in 1818 until circa 1835.
Although not having been able to locate a marriage registration for this particular couple, one has been found for a Thomas REGENT and Mary NUGENT in 1835 in the Parish of St. James in the County of Cumberland. The officiating clergy was Richard Hill.
It would appear that this is the first sighting of Thomas REGENT and the last. There have been no births registered, no deaths registered, no children born and no convict entering the Colony under this name between the years 1800 and 1900. The name Mary REGENT also doesn't exist.
I have taken this to be the marriage of my g g grandparents simply because I can find no other evidence to either confirm or deny.
There seems to be no more information recorded about the next six years until they appear in 1841 at COURABYRA Nsw in time for the birth of their first child Mary Anne. The family ultimately settle on a " run " called O'Possum Point Station ( aka Yellow Boy ) near TOOMA Nsw and are here for the next 50 odd years until the property is sold.
I have checked the NLA Australian Newspapers on-line and although Thomas is mentioned on a number of occassions no more is recorded after 1833 after he received an 18 month sentence for attempted abduction. He appears in the NSW Gazettes as having taken up the " run " in the Murrumbidgee district and also receiving a depasture license ( the property is actually in the Upper Murray region of NSW ). No more is recorded except for his death in the SMH in October 1850.
There are only two Thomas Richards recorded on the 1841 census but he is neither of these. I'm sure that Thomas and the family have been recorded but as it is only the head of the house and or the name of the proprietor that is recorded it is impossible to track them down though the census.
Any suggestions about his / her whereabouts during this time would be appreciated.
Arnie
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Permalink Reply by Carmel M Reynen on
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If they went back to England to get married, there could be shipping records of them coming back into the country. Not sure about NSW but vic have the place and date of parents marriages on birth certificates (where the majority of mine are). I am not sure why they would go back to england to marry.
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Permalink Reply by Arnie Fletcher on
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Both parties were born in the Colony. Thomas in October 1810 to convict parents George Richards and Grace Mansfield. Mary in 1818 to convict parents James Nugent and Mary Supple. From this I'm reasonably sure that they didn't leave the country at any stage.
I have located the birth / baptismal registrations for all four children, both NSW and Victoria, but nothing is listed on those that suggests where the parents married.
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Permalink Reply by BOB MAY on
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Arnie
I had one of mine convict in Sydney, in 1845 he got ticket of leave then notjing till he popped up in Victoria getting married in 1855. After that point it was a matter of following the births through there journey over t Adelaide then up to the Quorn area.
Was there something going on in that 35-55 period that would attract people to mov e from NSW to Vic?
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Bob,
It's highly likely that gold had been discovered in the Tumbarumba area of NSW and the Beechworth areas in Victoria but I think that those finds would have been around the 1850-1855 time period.
I know that this is not what influenced my g g grandparents to move on from the inner workings of Sydney. It was more probably the fact of trying to start a new life away from the bad company Thomas had been keeping in town. He had always listed his occupation as a farmer so maybe he thought it was time to put that into practice.
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What a difference a few days can make after you discover that information received from fellow researchers re the 1841 census is INCORRECT. Not having sighted the census return first hand I had been relying upon the reading ability of said fellow genealogists and because I knew of their length of time in doing research and their standing in the genealogical field, I had committed the cardinal sin of assumption, taking their findings at face value and not checking further for myself.
Not being near a largish library I decided to use Ancesty's pay-per-view option and look up the census myself because one entry kept drawing me back time after time after time.
The information received had told me that there were two males present between the ages of 21 and 45, one married one single, both born in the colony. So far so good. That there were two females present, one aged between 21 and 45, and one aged UNDER seven years, both born in the colony, one married and one single. Not so good but almost correct. Religious status, three C of E and one RC. This was also good.
The underlying fact that this couldn't be my family was the female aged UNDER seven. The census was taken in March so it was far to early for the female UNDER seven to be my g g grandparents first child Mary Anne because she was born in the October, seven months AFTER the census was taken. It also could not have been my g g grandfathers child from his previous liaison, also a daughter, because she would have been 11 years old at the time.
Having sighted the original page of the census I have discovered that the information given about the female being UNDER seven is not correct. The census states that this female was between the ages of seven and fourteen. These two families are now a mirror image of themselves and although it is only the head of the house that has been named I now feel a little more confident that I now know of their whereabouts at least in March 1841.
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