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Unusual words in a will

Started by Steve Cadd. Last reply by Polly Rubery Aug 9, 2009. 6 Replies

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Comment by James P. LaLone on August 28, 2011 at 8:05am
Comment by James P. LaLone on June 10, 2010 at 9:57am
Anybody here read Latin? Thanks, Jim.
Comment by Roy Louis Cox on October 14, 2009 at 12:25pm
Hi Judith et All - Pigs skin was very much needed for side-drum heads and cow skin for bass drums - so I suppose in those days of mucho beef-eating Olde Englishers - there was a dea[r]th of these skins available?!!

Cheers for now
Been in and out of Hosp this year - and thats my excuse for not responding quicker!!
Comment by Dorothy Gurd on October 14, 2009 at 4:21am
I have been researching my GURD family for many years. I'm fortunate that they made Wills, leased land, made inventories,etc and were regularly recorded in the Manor Court Books of the Arundell Family of Wardour (Wilts). I can cope with the books written in English, but of course the earlier 16th century ones are all in abbreviated Latin. I'll welcome advice when I get 'stuck' and will help others where I can.
Dot Gurd (Salisbury, Wilts)
Member of the Guild of One-Name Studies, studying the GURD family worldwide.
Comment by eve mclaughlin on August 9, 2009 at 4:42pm
The problem with any method involving modern technology is that it changes so fast. Documents #saved' in one format are going to have to be resaved every time the mechanics changed, since in a few years, things readable on a particuular machine will be lost, because the machine is no longer made. I hate to think how many varieties of computer I have gone through in the last 30 -40 or so years
An Act of Parliament could not be held in electornic form anyway - it must be seen to exist. The old degree and diploma 'parchments' are now computer produced and lack something. EVE
Comment by Karen Repko on August 9, 2009 at 10:19am
Hello Eve, I can only say wow...I envy your experience in viewing this wonderful process. I agree the non suitability of the Pigs skin comes from the many pores to be found in the tanned final product, it made the material too rough for the talented touch of a scribs quil. As to the fear of the loss of the records due to degradable paper...I believe this is to be protected by digitizing the records as well, so a permanent record will always be available and easier to access genealogically speaking. Cheers, Karen Repko
Comment by eve mclaughlin on August 9, 2009 at 4:51am
I have actually been to a parchment works - the last one in England - which is fairly local. I saw all the processes from skin to parchment. They used to supply parchment to the Government for writing up new Acts of Parliament, till someone decided that paper would do. I bet they use degradable paper at that, so in umpteen years time, none of the Acts will survive.
If I remember correctlky, pig had minute holes or pores which make it too lumpy for writing - but it was used extensively for wallets, saddlebags and cigar cases etc EVE
Comment by Denise Mortorff on July 27, 2009 at 10:02am
I am interested in joining. I am studying in the medieval period and very interested in any opportunities to learn more about records and their use. Thank you.
Comment by Judith Werner on July 18, 2009 at 11:09am
Hi Roy. Sheep, goat, calf as far as I know (why not pig?), with young animals -- lambs, kids, calves -- for the fine stuff, vellum. There's an interesting article in Regia Anglorum, a re-enactor's group, "The Write Stuff". Also, a discussion on Parliament's use of vellum. Then there's that creepy example Debbie Kennett gave us on the RootsWeb list, of books bound in human skin, so maybe we can't be sure!
Comment by Roy Louis Cox on July 18, 2009 at 8:59am
Ok? Anyone tell me what animals were used for parchment Please - there must be someone out there to talk to??

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