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I am mainly interested in additions or corrections to the CHAWORTH family listed below. I just recently found some data that leads me to believe that the first three generation are not correct (the FRETEVALs, although I am descended from them also). Not all the sources are listed as some are in the notes section which include additional sources & where there are questions on parentage. I did not include them in this printout as already it is about 14 pages long.

 

If anyone wants a complete printout, please email me. Thanks for any input you may have. Also please be kind enough to indicate your sources.

 

NEW attachment on other message.

 

Thanks, Jim.

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Here, again, we diverge a bit. I descend from Hamelin's son William de Warrene. My line is as follows:

William de Warrene
John de Warrene
Alice de Warrene
Richard Fitzalan, 9th Earl of Arundel

The rest is as above. You and I also diverge going the other direction, as my line of descent comes from Hamelin's wife, Isabel de Warrene. So, it looks like we share only Hamelin, himself, at that point.

Gary
I have made some additions & corrections to what I have on the CHAWORTH family - see attachment. Again, additions/corrections appreciated, please give sources so I can follow them up. Thanks, Jim.
Attachments:
Thanks, Jim. I wasn't sure which of us was correct. As I stated earlier, my sources are all online, various sites, including the LDS' Family Search site, as well as Rootsweb's World Connect Family Trees. I wouldn't know where else to look except at original manuscripts held in the UK, which I cannot have access to.

Gary
Here is more on the CHAWORTH family from various sources of which there are numerous variations of the genealogy of this family just on this one line (and by the same token variations on other branches). I am interested in any comments or corrections for the following, especially where there is some article or publication that addresses the variations & can give an accurate genealogy. As you can see I have made comments primarily based on a posting by John P. Ravilious (see below) in the gen. soc. medieval mailing list. Thanks for any leads, Jim.

Sources listed at end.


SOURCE 1, pp. 121-124
1.Hugh de CHAOURCES + unk
2. Robert de CHAWORTH had issue
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Matilda HODINE/HESLING d/o Ernulph
3. Payen/Paganus CHAWORTH
[Comments: Robert of the second generation is carried on in more detail.]

SOURCE 2, p. 100
1. Patrick de CADURCIS/CHAWORTH + unk
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + unk
3. Pain de CHAWORTH + unk
4. Partick de CHAWORTH, d. 1257 + unk
5. Pain de CHAWORTH, d. 1278 + unk
5. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1282 (bro. of above) + unk
6. Maud de CHAWORTH + 1m. Henry PLANTAGENET, 2m. Hugh Le DESPENCER
[Comments: Patrick (gen. 1) m. to Guiberge/Wilbuiga/Wilburga de MONDOUBLEAU, generation 2 - Paine/Payne/Pagan de CHAWORTH m. unk. is missing. Patrick gen.2 should be renumbered to 3 and all others renumbered accordingly. Pain, gen. 3(4) m. to Gundrada de la FERTE; Patrick gen. 4(5) m. to Hawise de LONDON; Patrick gen 5(6) m. to Isabelle BEAUCHAMP. Gen. 6(7) did not 2m to Hugh Le DESPENCER.]

SOURCE 3, p. 111
1. Patrick de CADURCIS + unk
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + unk
3. Robert de CHAWORTH had issue
3. Pain de CHAWORTH + Gundred de la FERTE, d/o William.
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1257 + Hawyse de LONDRES
5. Pain de CHAWORTH
5. Hervey de CHAWORTH
5. Eve de CHAWORTH
5. Anne de CHAWORTH
5. Patric de CHAWORTH + Isabel de BEAUCHAMP, d/o William
6. Maud de CHAWORTH + Henry PLANTAGENET
[Comments: lots of confusing data here.]

SOURCE 4, p. 94
1. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. c. 1199 + Maud
2. Hugh de CHAWORTH, d. c. 1218
2. Pain de CHAWORTH, d. 1237, +1m. unk, 2m. Gundred de la FERTE d/o William & Margaret BRIWERRE
3. Hervey de CHAWORTH, d. c.1290
3. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1258 + Hawise de LONDON
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1283 + Isabel de BEAUCHAMP, d/o Thomas & Eve de TRACY
5. Maud de CHAWORTH, d. c.1320 + Henry of LANCASTER
[Comments: is someone confusing the first Patrick who m. Maud/Matilda de HESDIN with this first generation?]

SOURCE 5, p.372
1. Patrick de CADURCIS/CHAWORTH + Matilda
2. Patrick de CADURCIS + Wiburga
3. Payn de CADURCIS + Gundred de la FERTE, d/o William & Margaret de BRIWERE
4. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1257 + Hawise de LONDRES, d/o Thomas
5. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1282 + Isabel BEAUCHAMP, d/o William. She 2m. Hugh LeDESPENCER
6. Maud de CADURCIS + Henry, Earl of LANCASTER
[Comments: gen 1 Patrick m. to Matilda/Maud de HESDING; gen 2 Patrick m. to Wiburga de MONDOUBLEAU. Gen. 3 Paine de MONDOUBLEAU aka CHAWORTH missing; gen. 3 Payn should be renumbered 4 and all other following renumbered accordingly.]

SOURCE 6, p. 23
1. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1257 + Hawise de LONDRES, d/o Thomas
2. Payne & others
2. Patrick de CADURCIS/CHAWORTH, d. 1282 + Isabel BEAUCHAMP, d/o William
3. Maud de CADURCIS m. Henry, Earl of Lancaster

SOURCE 7 , p. 35
1. Patrick de CHAWORTH, b. c. 1052 + unk
2. Robert de CHAWORTH, b. 1094 had issue
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH, b. 1093, d. 1052 (sic) + unk
3. Payne de CHAWORTH, b. c. 1123 + unk {this is a chart and there are dotted lines between this generation and the next, do not know if the author is unsure that the next generation Patrick is a son or if there is a generation missing or if he is illegitimate]
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH, b. c. 1155 + unk
5. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1282 + unk
6. Maud de CHAWORTH, d. 1322 + Henry. Earl of Lancaster, d. 1345, s/o Edmund, Earl of Lancaster
[Comments: Patrick, gen. 1 m. to Maud de HESDIN; Patrick, gen. 2 m. to Guiburge de MONDOUBLEAU; Payne de CHAWORTH aka MONDOUBLEAU, gen. 3 m. unk; Patrick gen 4, m. unk; Paine de CHAWORTH m. to Gundred de la FERTE missing (gen 5) rest of generations to be renumbered; Patrick de CHAWORTH gen 4(5) should be the one who m. Hawise de LONDRES but date would be off for birth; Patrick gen. 5(6) m. to Isabel de BEAUCHAMP; Maud gen 6(7).]

Source 8, p. 116 & 97
1. Patrick de CHAWORTH + unk
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Matilda de HESDIN d/o Arnulf de HESDIN
3. _____ de CHAWORTH + unk
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Werberg
5. Pain de CHAWORTH + Gundred de la FERTE d/o William & Margaret de BRIWERE
6. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Hawise de LONDRES d/o Maurice & Mabel de CANTILUPE
7. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Isabel de BEAUCHAMP d/o William & Maud FITZ-JOHN
8. Maud de CHAWORTH + Henry PLANTAGENET s/o Edmund & Blanche d’ARTOIS
[Comments: Patrick gen 1 is Hugh; gen 3 is unknown; Patrick gen 4 is gen 3 m. to Werberg de MONDOUBLEAU; gens 4 & 5 are missing; Pain gen 5 is actually gen 6 and rest should be renumbered.]

SOURCE 9, p. 77
1. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1130 + Matilda de HESDING d/o Ernulf & Emmelina
2. Patrick de CADURCIS + Wilburga
3. Pagan de MONTDUBEL aka CADARCIS + unk
4. Patrick de CADURCIS

Most of the comments made are based on the AT that John P. Ravilious provides, using some sources that I don’t have. See: “de Chaworth of Kempsford, Gloucs. and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau”
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:29:09 EDT
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2003-05/...


SOURCES:
1). TRANSACTIONS OF THE THOROTON SOCIETY, v. 7, 1903.
2). THE HISTORIC PEERAGE OF ENGLAND… by Harris Nicholas & William Courthope, London, 1857.
3). A GENEALOGICAL HISTROY OF THE DORMANT, ABEYANT, FORFEITED, AND EXTINCT PEERAGES OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, by Bernard Burke, new edition, repr. By Genealogical Pub. Co.
4). “Wall Inscriptions of Gloucester Cathedral Chapter House and the de Chaworths of Kempsford” in TRANSACTIONS OF THE BRISTOL AND GLOUCESTERSHIRE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOCIETY. V. 112, 1994.
5). LIMBUS PATRUM MORGANIAE ET GLAMORGANIAE: BEING THE GENEALOGIES OF THE OLDER FAMILIES…, by George T. Clark, London, 1886.
6). A HISTORY OF KIDWELLY, by D. Daven Jones, Carmerthen, 1908.
7). THE CHAWORTH ROLL: A FOURTHEENTH-CENTURY GENEALOGY OF THE KINGS OF ENGLAND, by Alice Bovey, London, 2005.
8). THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY, by W. H. Turton, Baltimore, repr. 1975.
9). THE HISTORY OF THE ANCIENT TOWN AND BOROUGH OF NEWBURY, IN THE COUNTY OF BERKS, by Walter Money, London, 1887
Thanks, James! :)

Gary

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