Hello James, on two of your previous posts [2010 & 2011?] you mentioned German Frederick Fisher and his two marriages, [Rosanna & Mary Ann/Ann McBride] later post mentioning Fishers from the Netherlands. My Brown cousin's FTDNA matching DNA results show Fishers DNA linked to my Brown family, also McBrides are DNA linked to my Brown family. My cousin Arthur Fisher has traced his Fisher line back to John Fisher, b. 1872, Mauch Chunk, Carbon Co., PA.].
Two on my Brown related ancestors filed [rejected] Guion Mller applications, claiming their Cherokee blood came from their Fisher side of Robert Fisher Brown Sr. [1759-1840]. Robert Fisher's mother's side of the family, her Fisher father was [supposedly] part Cherokee. I haven't found any information to verify this claim. I did find out why Robert [who first used Fisher as his surname, then changed from Fisher to Brown] may have been living with the Cherokee early in his life [allies against the colonists?].
Robert's father was British soldier [under Capt. Johnston] James Brown. James is shown in British records as having been born in 1724, Schoonhoven, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. James maried Catharine/Katherine Fisher/Fischer in 1749 [same place as their marriage & her birth]. She was born in 1727 [may have died in 1776?]. My line of Browns are in brownsociety.org family [DNA] group #33. I believe the British ship Katherine came to the colonies on was the "Samuel", in 1732, port of daparture Rotterdam, and port of destination, Philadelphia.
Do you know anything more about this Dutch line of Fishers/Fischers to America? I may have a little Lock[e] information which is possibly connected to your Lockes? My grandmother was Nellie Lock, who married Marshall Marion Spencer, Catawba/Burke counties area of North Carolina, not far from Rowan Co. Nancy Ann Miller [same area] is also related to me, through my Spencers.
Can you tell m anything more about the Duch Fishers of the late 1600's & early 1700's who came to the colonies
WOW !!! What a fascinating genealogy you have ! We have similar ancestry. In the families of all 4 grandparents, there is racial mixture involving all types of situations ranging from rape to common law marriages. Via a circumstantial ILLIGITIMATE case a 4 greats grandpa Edwin Jackson (1782-1855) qualified as an ancestor for the Society of the War of 1812. According to oral history given by an aunt, Edwins son Lilburn Jackson (1818-1893), a white magistrate in Adams, Tennessee, fathered a black son Alex Jackson (1848-1876). Though there is no document verifying the father/son relationship, my aunts oral statement can be given credence by the fact that Alex named his son Lilburn Jackson (1873-1936) after the elder Lilburn Jackson.. This was accepted by the Society for the War of 1812. I would love to see your WHOLE family tree. Are you in ancestry..com. I am. My user name is Alvincollins24. Isn't genealogy fun?!?!?
And another - you wrote: "Gov. John Winthrop's daughter wed Rev. Samuel Dudley of Exeter, N.H., daughter Ann Dudley wed Edward Hiklton, Sr., Esq., son Dudley Hilton wed Mercy Hall, daughter Elizabeth Hilton wed Christopher Robinson of Exeter, N,H,,daughter Elizabeth Robinson wed Maj. Barnabas Palmer, Sr., daughter Margaret 'Molly' Palmer wed LtCol David Copp, Sr., of Wakefield/Dover, N.H., lawyer son David Copp, Jr., gratuate of Exeter Academy wed 15 years old Margaret "Polly" Watson, they fled his Portsmouth, N.H., gambling debts at night. In 1805 he was murdered in a New Orleans gambling house. Daughter Adelince Cecelia Copp, born N,.H., wed New Orleans lawer, Battle of New Orleans Adj. Lt. John Nixon who owned the Nixon House Hotel, Biloxi; he died Biloxi 1849. Daughter Jane Ann Nixon wed LtCol Robert Wm. James and had Capt. Harry Copp James, harbormaster, Biloxi, wed Lelia Ogden Malone, who had Ruth Irma James who wed Edward Yonge Wootten of Wilmington, N.C., my grandparents. Jim Miller, Southport, N.C. A U.S. District judge recently impeached in U.S. Congress for alledgedly takeing oil well bribes (with U.S. Attorney?) to through drug cases, is also a Copp/Nixon descendant. I have a paralegal degree, burtrarely gamble nor drink. I think generations of legal ability, and alcohol and gambling disability can be inherited; as too, generations of skilled musicians. As Mr. Levi of California didn't once say: "I just guess make'n these tough workman's britches is, just in my genes?""
Thanks for the info on Gov. Winthrop; I thought he only had sons - but I descend from his niece and DIL Elizabeth Fones, whose mother was Anne Winthrop. My line is by her second husband Robert Feake.
Hello James, sorry it's taken almost 2 years for me to get back to you - no notifications in email I guess. You wrote: "Hope you too can add Hatevel Hall and Hatevel Nutter as kin. One of my lines is Argentine Cromwell of early New England who descended an English village beer brewer named Oliver Cromwell, namesake of Lord Oliver Cromwell, Protector of England. Does red hair skip generations in your family? How far back can you trace red hair? Male generation photos to me, I have five. I have no children but my sister has grandchildren, that's seven photo generations. On one side five generatiobns of female "widows peaks". I still have my famed Native American kin, but DNA proved I traced a wrong wife and have no Native American blood--I sorry at that. On the other hand, DNA did prove my distant Pyrenees Mountains ancestry. Various lines have generations of lawyers, generations of alcoholics, generations of gamblers, and generations of musicians. Even three generations of genealogists."
I don't have any Halls that I know of, but another researcher from California I believe is a Hall from Oyster Bay. She connects to me through the Wansors. I think both our families stayed on Long Island until relatively recent times though. My parents moved from LI to PA when I was a child (1954), so all me research keeps me up north.
Jim, the March issue of Our State magazine has a story/photo on Oakdale cemetery and the Richard Bradley grave. (from your sister Anne Russell in Wilmington)
Spanish and Portugal families of "de Haro" must have branched into Belgium because arms carry 2 black dogs or wolves on all of them. It is possible that your Haro may have migrated there for many reasons and not originally from Germany. If they were a merchant family or non-catholic these would be 2 very good reasons for this possibility. The belgian " de Haro" arms also contain Mill rinds!
1) Hilton Head Island posting and two of your coats-of-arms show a millstone's iron support yokes? Not sure about which posting but I think you are refer to the Mill Rinds/Ink-moline/Fer de Moulin/Anille in the arms van Solt and van Soldt.
2)Hilton; I wonder if connected to the "van Hilten" family of Holland which had similar Mill Rinds surrounded Billets?
3)Miller; How far back does your Miller genealogy go? I found in early 1600 England a reference to Dutch family using alias Miller. There is also a Miller family recorded in Holland with arms which have 2 "Muuranckers" which are wall anchors which resemble Mill Rinds! Plenty of German, English, and other countries with Miller arms.
4) Soule name; If the family naming tradition takes surname as a First name there is a good chance of a Soule lineage. Internet sources of "Soule Kindred" and "Sole Society in England" may be able to help. Also ask Mrs. Throop who is in charge of "Sol" and "Soule" groups here on genealogywise. It would be very interesting to see where her lineage comes from. Van Soldt's came to Virgina in 1660's and then lose traces after 1700.
5)Lee family: Do not know much about them but wondered if they were also Dutch. There was a family of "van der Lee" with arms of red with a gold bend with 5 stars in it. There are several more Lee arms in holland.
Hi James, I don't have my Millers back that far, I know they were in Alabama before Texas but that's it. My John Thomas Miller's father James L. Miller b. in Alabama as far as I remember need my info in front of me, I'm in the library. But very interested in your Lacy connection. My 4x great grandfather Creed Collins was married to Lydia Lacy, unproven daughter of Thomas Batts-Lacy They were married in Wake Co or Johnston Co., North Carolina I believe, at least they lived there before moving to Georgia, Alabama and then Texas.
Yes, I am talking about Augusta Co VA! And for some reason, your name sounds familiar. Somebody in one of my lines married a guy named Alfred Locke. Have you a grandpa by that name?
I'm not sure what that means either, lol! But, thank you for taking the time to respond.
I have to figure out where the conversations need to take place; i.e. here, on my blog, twitter, or facebook. There is so much going on in the world and we need to communicate!
Mr. Miller, I am Joey Christie, a grandson of Emma Irene Woollen Christie. I have seen your posts on various sites and you seem very knowledgeable about the Woollens. My great-grandfather was John William Woollen, a brother of your Ruby Woollen Miller. Ruby was Irenes aunt. I just wanted to let you know about my connection to the Woollens. Thank you.
Thanks for that information. We've managed to trace the family back to that part of the world, but the information we have so far is sketchy. This gives us a bit more information upon which to base future research.
Hi! The only surname on that list you gave me that I recognize is Simpson, but as I am a bit of a History buff, I am also interested in general history of Augusta Co (especially around 1745-1755, the only time frame I can pin my Simpsons and Robinsons there). My direct Simpson line appears to have headed for the hills of NC, and stayed out of the Revolution. But some of the brothers went one way, some the other.
Then about 1818, a whole nuther line showed up in Augusta Co. The Staubus family came from Germany (by way of Boston!). I still have Staubus relatives in Augusta Co VA, mostly around Staunton.
I relate back to Philip Chesley and one of his three wives, the first wife of his Elizabeth Leighton. I have in my data that Mary Chesley who married Ralph Hall was by his third and last wife Joanna UNKNOWN.
Duane W. Wheeler
I had to know that a good sailor is never far from water. I doubt that I would be traveling in your neighbourhood by boat but who knows where our paths may cross. Would love to have a coffee over some of our great life experiences. We travel to Florida often and maybe you may wander into the Toronto area some day. Check out our soon to be new home on facebook. Residents of North Shore, 1 Hurontario Street, Port Credit Ontario Love to greet you in person.
I descend Cabarrus Co. SAR/DAR "Patriot" "Dr." Henry Propst, Sr., because law suits to collect medical bills during the Revolution show he rendered that service. The "Dr" is more like what combat Marines informally call their Navy enlisted hospital corpsman (who can wear the Marine uniform but with Navy "crow" on it) "Doc". Alledgedly Propst, age 55, was a "Hessian" who "went over to the enemy" (Patriots) and was from Bad Gandershiem, Germany. a rural farm area with "medical springs" or baths. I wrote the mayor of the village asking to use the return envelope for the names and mailing addresses of three Propsts there. He wrote back that he would not; that the Bad Gandershine Propsts were "nothing but ignorent peasants": LOL!
Grady Hall of Salisbury wrote in his book on the Hall Family History (contained at the Rowan Library) that there was a Col. John Hall at the surrender of Lord Cornwallis in the Revolution War. Some past relatives said it was the John Hall from Rowan County but it could never be proven by any written records and application was rejected by the D.A.R.. In the book, it also states "Early records of deed transactions as well as court records indicate that he was a doctor. In fact, (a book called) "Rowan and Davie Counties - Story of Medicine - 1753 - 1976" list John Hall as a doctor and builder of the first grist mill in the south river". If this information is correct, I can see why some decentants may have referred to him as "Col" and/or "Dr." . Of course in those days, you probably did not have to know much to be considered a "doctor".
I do not have any information about a John Hall that died in 1766. It seems reasonable that this could have been the father of "Col." "Dr." John Hall (1734 - Aug 20, 1797). Do you have a copy of the will or other information? If so, I would be greatfull to receive a copy or the contents of the will. I will have to do some more research and see if I can find this John Hall. Thanks....you have given me a new lead.
Have you ever seen him titled "Col" and "Dr" and if so: why? Who was the John Hall who died Rowan Co., N.C., 1766, with a will written in Penn. in contemplation of his journey which mentions in Penn (Straboun/Strabaun, York Co., uncle Henry Thompson, Wm. Simpson, sisters Anne and Armicicla Hall, cousin & Alexander Thompson?
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Hello James, on two of your previous posts [2010 & 2011?] you mentioned German Frederick Fisher and his two marriages, [Rosanna & Mary Ann/Ann McBride] later post mentioning Fishers from the Netherlands. My Brown cousin's FTDNA matching DNA results show Fishers DNA linked to my Brown family, also McBrides are DNA linked to my Brown family. My cousin Arthur Fisher has traced his Fisher line back to John Fisher, b. 1872, Mauch Chunk, Carbon Co., PA.].
Two on my Brown related ancestors filed [rejected] Guion Mller applications, claiming their Cherokee blood came from their Fisher side of Robert Fisher Brown Sr. [1759-1840]. Robert Fisher's mother's side of the family, her Fisher father was [supposedly] part Cherokee. I haven't found any information to verify this claim. I did find out why Robert [who first used Fisher as his surname, then changed from Fisher to Brown] may have been living with the Cherokee early in his life [allies against the colonists?].
Robert's father was British soldier [under Capt. Johnston] James Brown. James is shown in British records as having been born in 1724, Schoonhoven, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. James maried Catharine/Katherine Fisher/Fischer in 1749 [same place as their marriage & her birth]. She was born in 1727 [may have died in 1776?]. My line of Browns are in brownsociety.org family [DNA] group #33. I believe the British ship Katherine came to the colonies on was the "Samuel", in 1732, port of daparture Rotterdam, and port of destination, Philadelphia.
Do you know anything more about this Dutch line of Fishers/Fischers to America? I may have a little Lock[e] information which is possibly connected to your Lockes? My grandmother was Nellie Lock, who married Marshall Marion Spencer, Catawba/Burke counties area of North Carolina, not far from Rowan Co. Nancy Ann Miller [same area] is also related to me, through my Spencers.
Can you tell m anything more about the Duch Fishers of the late 1600's & early 1700's who came to the colonies
Marshall A. Spencer
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WOW !!! What a fascinating genealogy you have ! We have similar ancestry. In the families of all 4 grandparents, there is racial mixture involving all types of situations ranging from rape to common law marriages. Via a circumstantial ILLIGITIMATE case a 4 greats grandpa Edwin Jackson (1782-1855) qualified as an ancestor for the Society of the War of 1812. According to oral history given by an aunt, Edwins son Lilburn Jackson (1818-1893), a white magistrate in Adams, Tennessee, fathered a black son Alex Jackson (1848-1876). Though there is no document verifying the father/son relationship, my aunts oral statement can be given credence by the fact that Alex named his son Lilburn Jackson (1873-1936) after the elder Lilburn Jackson.. This was accepted by the Society for the War of 1812. I would love to see your WHOLE family tree. Are you in ancestry..com. I am. My user name is Alvincollins24. Isn't genealogy fun?!?!?
ALVIN
Thanks for the info on Gov. Winthrop; I thought he only had sons - but I descend from his niece and DIL Elizabeth Fones, whose mother was Anne Winthrop. My line is by her second husband Robert Feake.
Hello James, sorry it's taken almost 2 years for me to get back to you - no notifications in email I guess. You wrote: "Hope you too can add Hatevel Hall and Hatevel Nutter as kin. One of my lines is Argentine Cromwell of early New England who descended an English village beer brewer named Oliver Cromwell, namesake of Lord Oliver Cromwell, Protector of England. Does red hair skip generations in your family? How far back can you trace red hair? Male generation photos to me, I have five. I have no children but my sister has grandchildren, that's seven photo generations. On one side five generatiobns of female "widows peaks". I still have my famed Native American kin, but DNA proved I traced a wrong wife and have no Native American blood--I sorry at that. On the other hand, DNA did prove my distant Pyrenees Mountains ancestry. Various lines have generations of lawyers, generations of alcoholics, generations of gamblers, and generations of musicians. Even three generations of genealogists."
I don't have any Halls that I know of, but another researcher from California I believe is a Hall from Oyster Bay. She connects to me through the Wansors. I think both our families stayed on Long Island until relatively recent times though. My parents moved from LI to PA when I was a child (1954), so all me research keeps me up north.
1) Hilton Head Island posting and two of your coats-of-arms show a millstone's iron support yokes? Not sure about which posting but I think you are refer to the Mill Rinds/Ink-moline/Fer de Moulin/Anille in the arms van Solt and van Soldt.
2)Hilton; I wonder if connected to the "van Hilten" family of Holland which had similar Mill Rinds surrounded Billets?
3)Miller; How far back does your Miller genealogy go? I found in early 1600 England a reference to Dutch family using alias Miller. There is also a Miller family recorded in Holland with arms which have 2 "Muuranckers" which are wall anchors which resemble Mill Rinds! Plenty of German, English, and other countries with Miller arms.
4) Soule name; If the family naming tradition takes surname as a First name there is a good chance of a Soule lineage. Internet sources of "Soule Kindred" and "Sole Society in England" may be able to help. Also ask Mrs. Throop who is in charge of "Sol" and "Soule" groups here on genealogywise. It would be very interesting to see where her lineage comes from. Van Soldt's came to Virgina in 1660's and then lose traces after 1700.
5)Lee family: Do not know much about them but wondered if they were also Dutch. There was a family of "van der Lee" with arms of red with a gold bend with 5 stars in it. There are several more Lee arms in holland.
Hi James, I don't have my Millers back that far, I know they were in Alabama before Texas but that's it. My John Thomas Miller's father James L. Miller b. in Alabama as far as I remember need my info in front of me, I'm in the library. But very interested in your Lacy connection. My 4x great grandfather Creed Collins was married to Lydia Lacy, unproven daughter of Thomas Batts-Lacy They were married in Wake Co or Johnston Co., North Carolina I believe, at least they lived there before moving to Georgia, Alabama and then Texas.
I'm not sure what that means either, lol! But, thank you for taking the time to respond.
I have to figure out where the conversations need to take place; i.e. here, on my blog, twitter, or facebook. There is so much going on in the world and we need to communicate!
Peace,
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Then about 1818, a whole nuther line showed up in Augusta Co. The Staubus family came from Germany (by way of Boston!). I still have Staubus relatives in Augusta Co VA, mostly around Staunton.
Duane W. Wheeler
dw.wheeler1@verizon.net
I do not have any information about a John Hall that died in 1766. It seems reasonable that this could have been the father of "Col." "Dr." John Hall (1734 - Aug 20, 1797). Do you have a copy of the will or other information? If so, I would be greatfull to receive a copy or the contents of the will. I will have to do some more research and see if I can find this John Hall. Thanks....you have given me a new lead.
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