At 11:48am on September 9, 2009, Kate Steere said…
:) yup, I think I saw that immigration record many moons ago, back when I was working at the FHL a couple of days a week.
I want to be able to straighten out the Tietjens I find on the Brooklyn directories, many are grocers, our Claus seems to have been a driver, perhaps for a Grocer?
There are many Johns and many Henrys on the directories, but I'm not finding that many in the census records, unfortunately.
At 11:27am on September 9, 2009, Kate Steere said…
Hi Gene-
We had hoped that Claus's or Meta's parents were in the list of burials, but I will have to try to find his death record. I don't know if there are death records for Brooklyn in 1890, I usually go to IGG and my back up is GGG, but neither had them back that far.
I've been working through the Brooklyn directories, as the children's places of death match most of the places we have found Claus and Meta living. Except for John who died at 6, there have been Tietjens found on Marcy, but not Claus and Meta, it could be they were living with Claus' parents, though. Unfortunately the 1870 census is a mess, and I found 'Chas', 'Mattie' and their 1 year old daughter Martha in 1880, their name is spelled Teachen(a little phonics goes a long way, LOL).
I'm theorizing that Claus is the son of one of the John Tietjen's I've found, but can't find one that matches, and can't find him in 1870, and I don't know when he immigrated since he didn't make it to the 1900 census.
And I'm not sure enough of Meta's last name to search for her in 1870, I believe it to be Eickmann, or Eichmann, but the handwriting on Louise's and Martha Cox's death record isn't clear enough.
They are very much a mystery, esp with the discovery of the Langenhop children buried in the Tietjen plot.
Hi Back.I'm counting on your group. I've done all I can
At 11:37am on September 2, 2009, Bob Mooney-Pa said…
You know I can't 100% say that date is exact. But I have info A search of MA Vital Records 1841-1910, Somerville,
Vol 251, Pg 284, Line 262
Birth: 5 June 1872, Henry Wepler, male,
Parents: Alois and Anna of Tyler Street
Fathers' occupation: Shoemaker
Birthplace of both parents: Germany
Someone found this and sent it to me. What do you think?\
Keeping in mind Wipfler has been misspelled a ton of ways. Also Alois has been spelled alot of ways.
At 10:49am on September 2, 2009, Karin Naylor said…
Thanks, I didn't notice the search at the top of the page, I'm not too savvy yet with this network. I'm sure this will help it not seem so overwhelming. : )
At 10:32pm on September 1, 2009, Karin Naylor said…
Thanks for the welcome. I'm getting ready to post my brickwall on Most Wanted, but I was wondering if there is any search button on the group or for the website itself, so one can find specific ancestors? There are a lot of posts on some of these groups.
hello GeneJ I would like to help you make an adoptions board. It has been very difficult for me to find any information on my family because of the way things happened when I was a child. I am trying all kinds of things to find my brother...if you want to help me out with starting the new forum that would be great... Thanks,
angel
Gene,
I just sent a long comment about Elizabeth that may clear up some things. It's lost in the wild blue so I will try again.
James and Lizzie were married May 1884 and are probably not indexed. Lizzie and second husband Hoehn probably are as they married in 1894. He married Lizzie's sister after her death in 1907.
It is true that James was not Catholic, but Lizzie was. That's why the kids were baptised Catholic (documented) and placed in a Catholic orphanage. James may have been Lutheran as he and Lizzie were married at the Lutheran Church at 4th & Franklin in Phila (documented)
Meanwhile, I have found that James, Lizzie, and the Richter family all lived at 915 McKean St, Phila. After they separated (1893) Lizzie may have gone to live with my grgrandparents (Rice) at 437 Wolf St in Phila. and she may have been there when married to Hoehn. This has to be checked with the census, city directories, etc...my next step.
Maybe this will help answer some questions. For me, it also raised a bunch more!
Lorry
Gene,
I appreciate your asking about the orphanage. Yes you may include the comments. My Granddad and his brother are dead and they are the ones who cared. Good luck, Lorry
Gene,
Glad you had the opportunity to talk to Gwenda. She does not suffer fools, but she does go out of her way for those genuinely interested in history. The beginning of this month, she gave a talk at our church on its history and impact on the town, the state, and the nation. She and my husband spent a lot of time talking...her presentation was fascinating.
Lorry
Hi,
We still have Prestons in Strafford. If you would like, I can try to track down tombstones, family histories, etc. here in town. We have a very active Historical Society (in a very small space) with a collection of local family papers. The Historical Society had a big show on the Preston family in Strafford earlier this summer. The person to talk to about your family would be Gwenda Smith (she does email) 802-765-4321. She works only with documented facts and resources, and is a professional genealogist.
Meanwhile, I tried to copy from RM by a variety of ways and was having no luck. I even exported the gedcom to My Documents. Could be the abberant weather we continue to have that is interfering with satellite, etc. The gedcom has not been changed... let me know if I can answer any questions it generates.
Lorry
Gene,
I stated that Tamyzine and Uriah were married about 1870, when they were married in 1860. This is the first time I REALLY checked out what was in the document. That is why it is helpful to have someone on the outside assisting. You have my permission to copy the information.
Gene,
I went through my files, and found Uriah Martin's Pension application. One of these days I am going to actually categorize these files (ummm). There is quite a bit of information on my ancestors file, and on his death certificate.
Here is some information
DEATH CERTIFICATE:
County of Chester (PA)
Name: Martin, Uriah
Race: Colored
Birth Date: August 11, 1835 (from bible)
Parents: Martin, Charles (born in Pennsylvania about 1810)
Martin, Sarah Johnson, (born in Pennsylvania about 1808)
Died: January 14, 1909
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR - Bureau of Pensions
Certificate # 634341:
Martin, Uriah Darbydown PA
Wife: Tamyzine Ann Martin (Page), died December 27, 1899
Married: July 18, 1860 - Penningtonville PA
(only married once)
Children: William Penn Martin (My ancestor), b. 5/5/1862; Harry E. Martin, b. 9/9/864; Philena E. , 8/8/1866; Susanna F., 9/16/1869; Horace H., 2/3/1873; Ida May, 8/3/1875; Jacob O., 9/26/1878, Bertha S., 9/19/1882; Blanche Isabella, 12/9/1886 (she lived until the late 1970's).
Uriah was a member of the Grand Army of the Republic, and served as a Corporal in the Company B. Regiment, 41st United States Colored Troops.
This is a general run down of the information on his pension. I intend to scan the documents which requires me to remove my printer and hook up the scanner. I will get to it sometime next week, and do a large scale scanning operation. I lost a lot of the scanned materials when I changed computers.
If you have any specific questions about Uriah or Tamson, let me know.
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I want to be able to straighten out the Tietjens I find on the Brooklyn directories, many are grocers, our Claus seems to have been a driver, perhaps for a Grocer?
There are many Johns and many Henrys on the directories, but I'm not finding that many in the census records, unfortunately.
We had hoped that Claus's or Meta's parents were in the list of burials, but I will have to try to find his death record. I don't know if there are death records for Brooklyn in 1890, I usually go to IGG and my back up is GGG, but neither had them back that far.
I've been working through the Brooklyn directories, as the children's places of death match most of the places we have found Claus and Meta living. Except for John who died at 6, there have been Tietjens found on Marcy, but not Claus and Meta, it could be they were living with Claus' parents, though. Unfortunately the 1870 census is a mess, and I found 'Chas', 'Mattie' and their 1 year old daughter Martha in 1880, their name is spelled Teachen(a little phonics goes a long way, LOL).
I'm theorizing that Claus is the son of one of the John Tietjen's I've found, but can't find one that matches, and can't find him in 1870, and I don't know when he immigrated since he didn't make it to the 1900 census.
And I'm not sure enough of Meta's last name to search for her in 1870, I believe it to be Eickmann, or Eichmann, but the handwriting on Louise's and Martha Cox's death record isn't clear enough.
They are very much a mystery, esp with the discovery of the Langenhop children buried in the Tietjen plot.
Thank you for the assistance as always. :)
Vol 251, Pg 284, Line 262
Birth: 5 June 1872, Henry Wepler, male,
Parents: Alois and Anna of Tyler Street
Fathers' occupation: Shoemaker
Birthplace of both parents: Germany
Someone found this and sent it to me. What do you think?\
Keeping in mind Wipfler has been misspelled a ton of ways. Also Alois has been spelled alot of ways.
angel
Thanks for the welcome to the group. I have many brick walls to conquer and I hope to find some assistants within the group.
I just sent a long comment about Elizabeth that may clear up some things. It's lost in the wild blue so I will try again.
James and Lizzie were married May 1884 and are probably not indexed. Lizzie and second husband Hoehn probably are as they married in 1894. He married Lizzie's sister after her death in 1907.
It is true that James was not Catholic, but Lizzie was. That's why the kids were baptised Catholic (documented) and placed in a Catholic orphanage. James may have been Lutheran as he and Lizzie were married at the Lutheran Church at 4th & Franklin in Phila (documented)
Meanwhile, I have found that James, Lizzie, and the Richter family all lived at 915 McKean St, Phila. After they separated (1893) Lizzie may have gone to live with my grgrandparents (Rice) at 437 Wolf St in Phila. and she may have been there when married to Hoehn. This has to be checked with the census, city directories, etc...my next step.
Maybe this will help answer some questions. For me, it also raised a bunch more!
Lorry
I appreciate your asking about the orphanage. Yes you may include the comments. My Granddad and his brother are dead and they are the ones who cared. Good luck, Lorry
Glad you had the opportunity to talk to Gwenda. She does not suffer fools, but she does go out of her way for those genuinely interested in history. The beginning of this month, she gave a talk at our church on its history and impact on the town, the state, and the nation. She and my husband spent a lot of time talking...her presentation was fascinating.
Lorry
We still have Prestons in Strafford. If you would like, I can try to track down tombstones, family histories, etc. here in town. We have a very active Historical Society (in a very small space) with a collection of local family papers. The Historical Society had a big show on the Preston family in Strafford earlier this summer. The person to talk to about your family would be Gwenda Smith (she does email) 802-765-4321. She works only with documented facts and resources, and is a professional genealogist.
Meanwhile, I tried to copy from RM by a variety of ways and was having no luck. I even exported the gedcom to My Documents. Could be the abberant weather we continue to have that is interfering with satellite, etc. The gedcom has not been changed... let me know if I can answer any questions it generates.
Lorry
I stated that Tamyzine and Uriah were married about 1870, when they were married in 1860. This is the first time I REALLY checked out what was in the document. That is why it is helpful to have someone on the outside assisting. You have my permission to copy the information.
I went through my files, and found Uriah Martin's Pension application. One of these days I am going to actually categorize these files (ummm). There is quite a bit of information on my ancestors file, and on his death certificate.
Here is some information
DEATH CERTIFICATE:
County of Chester (PA)
Name: Martin, Uriah
Race: Colored
Birth Date: August 11, 1835 (from bible)
Parents: Martin, Charles (born in Pennsylvania about 1810)
Martin, Sarah Johnson, (born in Pennsylvania about 1808)
Died: January 14, 1909
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR - Bureau of Pensions
Certificate # 634341:
Martin, Uriah Darbydown PA
Wife: Tamyzine Ann Martin (Page), died December 27, 1899
Married: July 18, 1860 - Penningtonville PA
(only married once)
Children: William Penn Martin (My ancestor), b. 5/5/1862; Harry E. Martin, b. 9/9/864; Philena E. , 8/8/1866; Susanna F., 9/16/1869; Horace H., 2/3/1873; Ida May, 8/3/1875; Jacob O., 9/26/1878, Bertha S., 9/19/1882; Blanche Isabella, 12/9/1886 (she lived until the late 1970's).
Uriah was a member of the Grand Army of the Republic, and served as a Corporal in the Company B. Regiment, 41st United States Colored Troops.
This is a general run down of the information on his pension. I intend to scan the documents which requires me to remove my printer and hook up the scanner. I will get to it sometime next week, and do a large scale scanning operation. I lost a lot of the scanned materials when I changed computers.
If you have any specific questions about Uriah or Tamson, let me know.
Anita
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