Patricia Aceves Wyble's Posts - Genealogy Wise2024-03-28T21:55:12ZPatricia Aceves Wyblehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/PatriciaAcevesWyblehttp://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2207001328?profile=RESIZE_48X48&width=48&height=48&crop=1%3A1http://www.genealogywise.com/profiles/blog/feed?user=26p2by7h1dey1&xn_auth=noA chance connection at Jamboreetag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-06-15:3463583:BlogPost:2576752010-06-15T03:17:26.000ZPatricia Aceves Wyblehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/PatriciaAcevesWyble
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;">I was at the Southern California Genealogical Society's 2010 Jamboree this past weekend. I dropped by the <a href="http://www.loscalifornianos.org/" style="color: rgb(191, 39, 126); font-weight: bold;">Los Californianos</a> booth, for at least the fourth time. The nice lady at the booth (I forgot your name!) asked me what the surname was of the family I had in early…</span>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;">I was at the Southern California Genealogical Society's 2010 Jamboree this past weekend. I dropped by the <a href="http://www.loscalifornianos.org/" style="color: rgb(191, 39, 126); font-weight: bold;">Los Californianos</a> booth, for at least the fourth time. The nice lady at the booth (I forgot your name!) asked me what the surname was of the family I had in early California. I told her Echeverría, and she asked if I was related to "that guy over there." Umm, not that I know of?</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><br/></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;">It turns out, another attendee (whose name I've also forgotten!) had asked about the same surname shortly before I did. Furthermore, it turns out that his Echevarrias were at the same mission as my Echevarria/Echeverría/Echebarria/Echevaria family, at about the same time. I didn't have any Nicolas Echevarria, though, so I gave him my name, email address, and the names of the people that I have in the area at the time. I asked him that if he found a connection, to please let me know.</span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;">Today, I got curious and did a search at the Huntington Library's Early<a href="http://www.huntington.org/Information/ECPPlogin.htm" style="color: rgb(191, 39, 126); font-weight: bold;">California Population Project</a>. Here's what I found:</span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Echeverria and Maria del Pilar Larias baptize a daughter Juliana in 1830. Godparents: <b>Manuel Larios</b> and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b>.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Echeverria and Maria del Pilar Larios baptize a son Juan Antonio de Gracia in 1832. Godparents: <b>Manuel Larios</b> and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b>.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Chavarria and Pilar Larios baptize a daughter Maria Antonia in 1834. Godparents: Antonia Rodrigues.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Chavarria and Maria del Pilar Larios baptize a son Jose Ramon de Gracia in 1836. Godparents: <b>Manuel Larios</b> and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b>.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Echevarria and Maria Pilar Larios baptize a daughter Maria del Refugio in 1838. Godparents: <b>Manuel Larios</b> and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b>.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Chabarria and Maria Pilar Larios baptize a daughter Maria Gertrudes Eufania in 1839. Godparents: Dolores Pacheco and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b>.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Chaberria and Maria Pilar Larios baptize a son Jose Francisco Guadalupe in 1841. Godparents: Francisco Abila and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b>.</i></span></div>
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<div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"><i>* Nicolas Chavarria and Pilar Larios baptize a son Clemente Patricio in 1843. Godparents: Mariano Castro and Rufina Galindo.</i></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(99, 32, 53); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;">So, guess what <b>Manuel Larios</b> and <b>Maria Antonia Pacheco</b> were doing in 1849? Becoming the godparents of my ancestor's sister, Rafaela Genobeba de Jesus Echevarria Lebrija. Not the kind of link I would have hoped for, but this does deserve further research! I'll scan these people's records when the films come in (I already requested them last week), but I have a feeling that if the record had grandparents, they would be in the database. Wish me luck!</span></div>Echeverrias in the Gold Rushtag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-04-24:3463583:BlogPost:2473432010-04-24T06:53:26.000ZPatricia Aceves Wyblehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/PatriciaAcevesWyble
<font size="3">My <span style="font-weight: bold;">3rd great-grandparents</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Teofilo Estolano Echeverria</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold;">Jesus Gertrudis Lebrija</span> are my most-traveled ancestors so far.<br></br><br></br>I have him in 1844 in Baja
California as possibly some kind of government employee -…</font>
<font size="3">My <span style="font-weight: bold;">3rd great-grandparents</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Teofilo Estolano Echeverria</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold;">Jesus Gertrudis Lebrija</span> are my most-traveled ancestors so far.<br/><br/>I have him in 1844 in Baja
California as possibly some kind of government employee - <a href="http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA215&dq=teofilo+echeverria&ei=ueCVS_XJLaDGlASzp8GAAQ&cd=3&id=rg0OAAAAIAAJ#v=onepage&q=echeverria&f=false">see Google Books.</a><br/><br/>According to the 1850 US Census and 1852
California Census, Teofilo was born in Jalisco in 1818, and Gertrudis (as she is usually known) in Baja California in 1831 (her baptismal record from La Paz confirmed this). He's a merchant and a land-owner. They have three children born in California- born 1849, 1851, and 1853. The marriage certificate of the 1st child says she was born in "Alta California" and for the 3rd child says San Francisco, CA. I believe that the 2nd child died before marrying, because his name is later re-used.<br/><br/>Then they have
another nine children, all in Guadalajara, Jalisco. My <span style="font-weight: bold;">2nd great-grandfather</span> in 1855, and his siblings in 1857, 1859, 1860, 1862, 1863, 1864, 1867, and 1868. I have baptismal certificates for all of the Jalisco children, and marriage certificates for several.<br/><br/>So here are my research goals:<br/></font><ol>
<li><font size="3">Baptismal certificates for each of the children born in Alta California. I thought I'd find these in either the San Francisco or Monterey missions, but an extract book got me nothing.</font></li>
<li><font size="3">Baptismal certificate for Teofilo. First guess would be in the church his later children are baptized, as this may have been near the home where he grew up in Jalisco.</font></li>
<li><font size="3">Marriage certificate for Teofilo and Gertrudis. Since he worked in Baja in 1844 and their first child is born in 1848, I'll be looking in Baja first.<br/></font></li>
<li><font size="3">Marriage and/or death documents for each child I don't already have.</font></li>
<li><font size="3">And, of course, go up a generation and do it over again!</font></li>
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<font size="3">Flash forward to today, when I was browsing websites from a sheet of Popular Internet Resources I picked up on the freebie table of Southern California Genealogical Society in Burbank, CA. As this Echeverria-Lebrija family is the family I'm focusing on right now, I was opening a multitude of new tabs on California and Gold Rush history. In <span style="font-style: italic;">The Huntington Library's Early California Population Project database, 2006,</span> I found the following from the San Juan Bautista mission:<br/><br/><span style="font-weight: bold;">Teresa
de Jesus Antonia Echeverria</span>, born on 17 January 1849 and baptized 3 February 1849, legitimate daughter of <span style="font-weight: bold;">Agustin Echeverria</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold;">Marciana Lebrija</span>. (I've never heard of either, but I always find it interesting when two couples share the same two last names.) How I know this person is connected to my family is that the godparents are Angel "Lebrinja" and Concepcion Calles- my <span style="font-weight: bold;">4th great-grandparents</span>, whom I had no idea were ever in Alta California. Could two sets of siblings have married each other? This needs further research.<br/><br/>Not coming up by
surname, but found by a search by mother's surname, <span style="font-weight: bold;">Teresa "Echabarria"</span> was born 4 April 1850 and baptized 15 April 1850, the legitimate daughter of <span style="font-weight: bold;">Agustin Echabarria</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold;">Mariana Lebrija</span>. An alternate spelling on the mother's first name and the father's last name!<br/><br/>Another
child by the same name, <span style="font-weight: bold;">Teresa "Echevaria"</span> (yet a third spelling of this last name), daughter of <span style="font-weight: bold;">Agustin Echevaria</span></font> <font size="3">and <span style="font-weight: bold;">Mariana Lebrija</span>, was buried on 28 February 1849 and buried at "sementerio." I don't think that this is the mission cemetery, because my research leads me to believe that the cemetery adjacent to the mission was full by October of 1838.<br/><br/>Finally,
I found one of the people I was originally looking for!<br/><br/><span style="font-weight: bold;">Rafaela Genobeba de Jesus "Echevarria"</span>
(four for four on ways to spell this name!), legitimate daughter of <span style="font-weight: bold;">Teofilo Echevarria</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold;">Jesus Lebrija</span>, was born 3 January 1849 and baptized the same day.<br/><br/>I still have to order the films to
view the originals, but I'm putting this day in the "Win" column! One down, two to go (of step 1), with an added bonus of new potential cousins!<br/></font>Seeking Bullfighting Great-Grandfather in Mexico/Spaintag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-03-25:3463583:BlogPost:2407402010-03-25T01:30:00.000ZPatricia Aceves Wyblehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/PatriciaAcevesWyble
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My grandmother Maria Luisa Echeverría was born in 1908 in Guadalajara, Jalisco to Refugio Echeverría. The family story that I'm trying to confirm is regarding her father.<img class="htmlbox-toolbar button-image" src="http://static.ning.com/socialnetworkmain/widgets/index/gfx/x.gif"></img> <br></br> <a class="noborder" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2232560346?profile=original" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2232560346?profile=RESIZE_320x320" style="float: left;" width="231"></img></a> <br></br>
As the story has it, his name was Juan Ramirez, and he was a bullfighter. His father…
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My grandmother Maria Luisa Echeverría was born in 1908 in Guadalajara, Jalisco to Refugio Echeverría. The family story that I'm trying to confirm is regarding her father.<img class="htmlbox-toolbar button-image" src="http://static.ning.com/socialnetworkmain/widgets/index/gfx/x.gif"/><br/> <a class="noborder" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2232560346?profile=original" target="_blank"><img width="231" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2232560346?profile=RESIZE_320x320" alt="" style="float: left;"/></a><br/>
As the story has it, his name was Juan Ramirez, and he was a bullfighter. His father<a target="_blank" class="noborder" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3732426154?profile=original"><img width="231" style="float: right;" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3732426154?profile=RESIZE_320x320"/></a> (name unknown) came to Mexico with him from Spain to begin a bull farm. Presumably, this had been the family business in Spain.<br/>
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Due to the Catholic Church's excommunication of bullfighters, the union was frowned upon. Refugio supposedly left Juan before he knew that she was pregnant, and the grandparents may not have known about the child. Juan may or may not have died in the ring.<br/>
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In the 1960s, my grandfather was watching a bullfight on television in Los Angeles, broadcast from Mexico. A bull was to be spared, and the owner of the farm came to accept the bull back. My grandfather jumped out of his seat and exclaimed that this was his wife's grandfather. The dates don't seem to add up, so I wonder if this was a re-run, or actually the father.<br/><br/>Any leads on bullfighting history would be most appreciated. I don't think I'll have much luck going page to page on church or vital records, as I don't have any data on him other than his name and occupation.<br/>Genealogy finds from my auntstag:www.genealogywise.com,2009-08-28:3463583:BlogPost:1525792009-08-28T20:30:00.000ZPatricia Aceves Wyblehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/PatriciaAcevesWyble
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If you follow my twitter, you already know that my aunt and I have traded genealogy notes. I showed her how to use Legacy and gave her a file to start out with, and also lent her my Aceves-Echeverria binder to make copies of my documents. In turn, she and my other aunt (who is visiting from Mexico) lent me their stuff. I think that I got the better deal!…
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If you follow my twitter, you already know that my aunt and I have traded genealogy notes. I showed her how to use Legacy and gave her a file to start out with, and also lent her my Aceves-Echeverria binder to make copies of my documents. In turn, she and my other aunt (who is visiting from Mexico) lent me their stuff. I think that I got the better deal! A quick inventory of what I've processed so far...<br/>
Pictures (I put these on Geni already, coming to Flickr soon):<br/>
* Picture of my grandmother (of whom we were told there are no photographs) in a group with other family members, including two of her aunts who helped raise her children when she died. According to my aunt Cuca, their stepmother threw all of the pictures and documents out, but this particular photograph was in my aunt's room.<br/>
* Picture of my grandmother alone (pictured here), edited down from the above picture.<br/>
* Picture of my great grandmother.<br/>
* Picture of perhaps another great grandmother. Will have to double check identities.<br/>
* Picture of my uncle in the 50s with the bus he used to drive.<br/>
* Picture of my grandfather and his second wife.<br/>
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Documents:<br/>
* My aunt's birth certificate.<br/>
* My uncle's birth certificate.<br/>
* My grandfather's birth certificate.<br/>
* My grandmother's birth certificate.<br/>
* My grandmother's death certificate.<br/>
* My grandfather and grandmother's marriage certificate.<br/>
* Hand-written letter from 1908 from Juan Ramirez (believed to be a bullfighter) to great-grandma Refugio Echeverria, written when she was pregnant with my grandmother.<br/>
* Hand-written letter from 1910 from Refugio Echeverria (either great-grandmother or great-great-grandmother; must use dates to determine) to her brother.<br/>
* Hand-written letter from 1911 from a Refugio Echeverria to her son. Probably great-great grandma, as we believe that grandma was an only child.<br/>
* Receipt from 1920 for what appears to be burial permit fee for Refugio Echeverria (unsure which one).<br/>
* Hand-written letter from 1916 from Refugio Echeverria to her brother.<br/>
* Hand-written letter from 1933 from "Maria" to her aunt Elodia Echeverria (both of the Refugios have a sister named Elodia).<br/>
* Enrollment papers for my grandmother to attend school in 1915. Unfortunately, only the signature of the headmaster is on this, not of the parents.<br/>
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There are still some more documents that I haven't gone through. Some of them are falling apart, and I'm taking my time in this process. Basically, I'm making a color copy of each document, putting it away, and working from the copy. I'm on a deadline of getting the documents back to my aunt Angela's house before my aunt Cuca goes back to Mexico, so an update will probably come shortly!<br/>
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As you can imagine, I'm thrilled for a number of reasons. Firstly, because I had believed, as had my father, that no pictures existed of my grandmother. They had asked around decades ago, but come up empty. I'm so glad my aunt Angela asked my aunt Cuca to look through her papers before she came on her visit. Secondly, while I may have eventually gotten all of the civil registration documents, the hand written letters are something that can never be ordered or reproduced by paying a fee. I'm so blessed that my aunt had kept them all these years. A big thank you to both of them!