James Alfred Locke Miller Jr.'s Page

  Hello James, on two of your previous posts [2010 & 2011?] you mentioned German Frederick Fisher and his two marriages, [Rosanna & Mary Ann/Ann McBride] later post mentioning Fishers from the Netherlands. My Brown cousin's FTDNA matching DNA results show Fishers DNA linked to my Brown family, also McBrides are DNA linked to my Brown family. My cousin Arthur Fisher has traced his Fisher line back to John Fisher, b. 1872, Mauch Chunk, Carbon Co., PA.].

  Two on my Brown related ancestors filed [rejected] Guion Mller applications, claiming their Cherokee blood came from their Fisher side of Robert Fisher Brown Sr. [1759-1840]. Robert Fisher's mother's side of the family, her Fisher father was [supposedly] part Cherokee. I haven't found any information to verify this claim. I did find out why Robert [who first used Fisher as his surname, then changed from Fisher to Brown] may have been living with the Cherokee early in his life [allies against the colonists?].

  Robert's father was British soldier [under Capt. Johnston] James Brown. James is shown in British records as having been born in 1724, Schoonhoven, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. James maried Catharine/Katherine Fisher/Fischer in 1749 [same place as their marriage & her birth]. She was born in 1727 [may have died in 1776?]. My line of Browns are in  brownsociety.org  family [DNA] group #33. I believe the British ship Katherine came to the colonies on was the "Samuel", in 1732, port of daparture Rotterdam, and port of destination, Philadelphia.

  Do you know anything more about this Dutch line of Fishers/Fischers to America? I may have a little Lock[e] information which is possibly connected to your Lockes? My grandmother was Nellie Lock, who married Marshall Marion Spencer, Catawba/Burke counties area of North Carolina, not far from Rowan Co. Nancy Ann Miller [same area] is also related to me, through my Spencers.

  Can you tell m anything more about the Duch Fishers of the late 1600's & early 1700's who came to the colonies

  Marshall A. Spencer

  alien71121@netzer.com 

Hi James !!

 WOW !!! What a fascinating genealogy you have ! We have similar ancestry. In the families of all 4 grandparents, there is racial mixture involving all types of situations ranging from rape to common law marriages. Via a circumstantial ILLIGITIMATE case a 4 greats grandpa Edwin Jackson (1782-1855) qualified as an ancestor for the Society of the War of 1812. According to oral history given by an aunt, Edwins son Lilburn Jackson (1818-1893), a white magistrate in Adams, Tennessee, fathered a black son Alex Jackson (1848-1876). Though there is no document verifying the father/son relationship, my aunts oral statement can be given credence by the fact that Alex named his son Lilburn Jackson (1873-1936) after the elder Lilburn Jackson.. This was accepted by the Society for the War of 1812. I would love to see your WHOLE family tree. Are you in ancestry..com. I am. My user name is Alvincollins24. Isn't genealogy fun?!?!?

                                                                                           ALVIN

Thanks for the info on Gov. Winthrop; I thought he only had sons - but I descend from his niece and DIL Elizabeth Fones, whose mother was Anne Winthrop. My line is by her second husband Robert Feake.

Hello James, sorry it's taken almost 2 years for me to get back to you - no notifications in email I guess. You wrote: "Hope you too can add Hatevel Hall and Hatevel Nutter as kin. One of my lines is Argentine Cromwell of early New England who descended an English village beer brewer named Oliver Cromwell, namesake of Lord Oliver Cromwell, Protector of England. Does red hair skip generations in your family? How far back can you trace red hair? Male generation photos to me, I have five. I have no children but my sister has grandchildren, that's seven photo generations. On one side five generatiobns of female "widows peaks". I still have my famed Native American kin, but DNA proved I traced a wrong wife and have no Native American blood--I sorry at that. On the other hand, DNA did prove my distant Pyrenees Mountains ancestry. Various lines have generations of lawyers, generations of alcoholics, generations of gamblers, and generations of musicians. Even three generations of genealogists."

I don't have any Halls that I know of, but another researcher from California I believe is a Hall from Oyster Bay. She connects to me through the Wansors. I think both our families stayed on Long Island until relatively recent times though. My parents moved from LI to PA when I was a child (1954), so all me research keeps me up north.

At 7:29am on January 24, 2011, Armando Framarini said…

Spanish and Portugal families of "de Haro" must have branched into Belgium because arms carry 2 black dogs or wolves on all of them. It is possible that your Haro may have migrated there for many reasons and not originally from Germany. If they were a merchant family or non-catholic these would be 2 very good reasons for this possibility. The belgian " de Haro" arms also contain Mill rinds!

1) Hilton Head Island posting and two of your coats-of-arms show a millstone's iron support yokes? Not sure about which posting but I think you are refer to the Mill Rinds/Ink-moline/Fer de Moulin/Anille in the arms van Solt and van Soldt.

2)Hilton; I wonder if connected to the "van Hilten" family of Holland which had similar Mill Rinds surrounded Billets?

3)Miller; How far back does your Miller genealogy go? I found in early 1600 England a reference to Dutch family using alias Miller. There is also a Miller family recorded in Holland with arms which have 2 "Muuranckers" which are wall anchors which resemble Mill Rinds! Plenty of German, English, and other countries with Miller arms.

4) Soule name; If the family naming tradition takes surname as a First name there is a good chance of a Soule lineage. Internet sources of "Soule Kindred" and "Sole Society in England" may be able to help. Also ask Mrs. Throop who is in charge of "Sol" and "Soule" groups here on genealogywise. It would be very interesting to see where her lineage comes from. Van Soldt's came to Virgina in 1660's and then lose traces after 1700.

5)Lee family: Do not know much about them but wondered if they were also Dutch. There was a family of "van der Lee" with arms of red with a gold bend with 5 stars in it. There are several more Lee arms in holland.

Hi James, I don't have my Millers back that far, I know they were in Alabama before Texas but that's it. My John Thomas Miller's father James L. Miller b. in Alabama as far as I remember need my info in front of me, I'm in the library. But very interested in your Lacy connection. My 4x great grandfather Creed Collins was married to Lydia Lacy, unproven daughter of Thomas Batts-Lacy They were married in Wake Co or Johnston Co., North Carolina I believe, at least they lived there before moving to Georgia, Alabama and then Texas.