"Thank you Lynn, you do much better than I at reading and translating the handwriting.
These are very helpful and consistent with the Laga Skifte process.
Inrösningsjord - - I believe this term refers to…"
"Here are my attempted transcriptions and translations for two of your pages.
+++++++ page 157
Johannes Jonasson, flyttar sin källare, murad af Sten och? hwälfd med träd
inrättas med 6. Ök?-dagswerken …"
Many of the pages seem to be an accounting. Can you briefly explain what it is?
I wish I had an easy way to capture images of the original script and paste them here. Perhaps with many eyes, we could get a better translation. The pages…"
"Worldcat is a world wide catalog of libraries available to anyone. It show which libraries (they need to be members of Worldcat) have a book. Melvyl was similar and covered just the UC libraries (all of them). (It seems UC may have moved everything…"
"Im not sure I responded, yet. Do send the other pages and let's see what I can do.
You have not said how much you know about Swedish so I shall make just a few comments. Others may be interested. The Swedish language went through a…"
"If you will be traveling to Stockholm, here are a few notes. The royal library is there. Maybe they can help with enskifte information but if you have limited time, research is not what you want to do. A prominent used book store is afew…"
"The book does sound interesting. I looked in Melvyl (the University of California library catalog all campuses) which has now changed. They now participate in WorldCat. There were only four hits... Harvard, two in Sweden and one somewhere else.…"
"I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but I looked up the book Fårad mark to find out more about it because it really does look so interesting. I found two places where it can be purchased.
In anticipation of a possible trip to ancestral Sweden; I am seeking documentation (preferably in English, I do not read Swedish), to assist me in interpreting/translating ancestral farm maps and related land reform (e.g. enskifte and laga skifte) text found on Lantmäteriet. I contacted Lantmäteriet and was told they knew of none.For instance I have found reference to what I hope may be one such resource: Fårad mark : handbok för tolkning av historiska kartor och landskapby Niklas…See More
"Hello - Did you know we have an active chat community? There are usually people there to discuss genealogy, do look ups for you or just talk. We also have scheduled chats including a lively game of trivia on Saturday and Wednesday evenings at 9 pm…"
"Lynn, I have seen many discussions of the term mantal, all reference land in relation to taxation. All agree that it is not a specific square area such as tunnland, rather it is usually described as a flexible measure depending on…"
"Ok. I finally got the program to load. Yes, there is all kinds of stuff I missed but I could not get Djvu to show more than a narrow band of picture... but it worked. Here is page one my Swedish transcription (nodoubt flawed) and my English…"
Im not sure I responded, yet. Do send the other pages and let's see what I can do.
You have not said how much you know about Swedish so I shall make just a few comments. Others may be interested. The Swedish language went through a spelling reform in 1906 so your documents reflect the older Swedish. Perhaps the most obvious was the major use of "f" rather than "v" in use today [deraf - derav, Gustaf-Gustav] and "w" (double v, why do we call it double u, it looks like a v) instead of the modern "v" [Swen - Sven]. Many words that used to use "e" have been reformed to use "ä", one of the three vowels Swedish has after the "z" [ä å ö].
Remember that these three letters are unique and not just modifications of the letters an English speaker might see. They occur AFTER z in any kind of alphabetic sorting! It is always important to get them right, particularly in place names. I looked up örsby in the postal guide and it was in the last section, not after N.
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Ok. I finally got the program to load. Yes, there is all kinds of stuff I missed but I could not get Djvu to show more than a narrow band of picture... but it worked. Here is page one my Swedish transcription (nodoubt flawed) and my English translation (even more flawed):
År 1848 den 25de Juli, inställte sig underteck- nad Commissions Landtmätare uti Örsby- holms Säterie, beläget i Jönköpings Län, Wästra Härad och Ljunga Socken, för att, till sälje af nedan intagne förordnade, werk- ställar laga Skifte på alla ägorne till denna samfallighet, hvarwid, efter å fredikskolen i Ljunga Kyrka den 2de nästlidne Juli iggiläst kungörelse, sig inställte af detägarne
För Bengtsgården 1 helt mantal, deraf Magnus Jonasson äger 5/16de Swen Olstedt 5/16 del Enken Lena Maria SamuelsDotter i Elgabäck, genon Sonen Johan andersos son äger 1/4del och Swen Magnus Johannessson 1/8 dels mantal.
Smedjegården 1 helt Mantal deraf Pehr Johan Gustafsson äger 2/4 del Nils Carlsson 1/4del, Anders Svens son 1/4del och Gustaf Carlsson genom dess Son Carl August 1/4dels Mantal.
Mauritzgården 1/2 Mantal, deraf äger Andreas Svens son 1/4del, Olaus Svensson 1/8del och Lars Lindberg 1/8dels Mantal.
Backegården 1 helt Mantal, deraf Jonas Halmström 1/4del, Johannes Magnusson 1/4del Johannes Jonasson 1/4del och Johan Carlsson 1/4dels Mantal Södergården.
Land survey report
On 25 July1848 the undersigned commissions surveyor appeared at Örsbyholm manor, located in Jönköpings Län, Wästra Härad och Ljunga Socken, to facilitate the sale acting for the below, executing the change of all properties in this joint community, herewith, after the Fredik school in Ljunga Church on the 2nd of ??? July public announcement, the set of participants.
For Bengtsgården 1 mantal, thereof Magnus Jonasson owns 5/16 part, Swen Olstedt 5/16 part, widow Lena Maria Samuelsdotter in Elgabäck through son Johan Andersson owns 1/4 part, and Swen Magnus Johannesson 1/8 part mantal.
Smedjegården full mantal thereof Pehr Johan Gustafsson owns 2/4 part, Nils Carlsson 1/4 part, Anders Svensson 1/4 part, and Gustaf Carlsson by his son Carl August 1/4 part mantal.
Mauritzgården 1/2 mantal, of it Andreas Svensson owns 1/4 part, Olaus Svensson 1/8 part, and Lars Lindberg 1/8 part mantal.
Backegården one whole Mantal, of it Jonas Halmström 1/4 part, Johannes Magnusson 1/4 part, Johannes Jonasson 1/4 part, and Johan Carlsson 1/4 part mantal. Södergården.
With this map I see the railroad alignment used to run on the west side of the lake but the buildings look similar to the Eniro modern map. Now if you were going to visit, I would knock on that door first and inquire about the history of the farm.
Your map did not help me. I tried several map services. Google map does not use Swedish letters and does not find your farm by name. Finally, using Eniro (sort of the Swedish version of Mapquest) both Örsbyholm and Örby are clearly marked and you can zoom in to see the modern buildings. My guess is the home for Örbyholm lies about 200m west of the north end of Hemsjö, the little lake, at the intersection.
Svensk Ortförteckning simply shows Örsbyholm as a gård, a farm. You cannot tell from that if it is part of a bigger estate.
What was your person-s title or occupation on the husförhörslängd or death registe? His title probably would indicate if he was a tenant or owner.
Can you attach a map image to a message posted here? Or can you post a link to the exact map? Let's try one and see what we can get out of it. Be sure to send a verbal description... where are we talking about and what year. And exactly what do you want to learn. Is this from the Kalmar-based family you had some earlier posts about?
When trying to locate a Swedish place I use 1) Svensk Ortförteckning 1965 at my local Family History Center 2) Auto club atlases which have good detail at 1:200 000 scale 3) Lantmäteriet online maps and of course Google is always worth a try (very important to use Swedish letters). I take the parish list in Cradled In Sweden as the best official list of parishes.
For other observers... Lantmäteriet is a Swedish government agency similar to USGS in the United States. They print govenment maps and apparently approve any published maps in Sweden. Swedish topographical maps scale 1:50 000 can be very useful looking at small local areas.
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