MAYNARD from Kent England

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Permalink Reply by Margaret Dale on September 28, 2009 at 6:26am

I have found a record on Ancestry.com of the emigration of Charles and Martha to Australia in 1852. Martha died in 1891 at Naracoorte South Australia. Ill keep looking to see if I can find anything else

Permalink Reply by Wilson on September 28, 2009 at 8:01pm

Hi Margaret,

Thank you so much for your help, I have been to Naracoorte and found the burial site for Martha, and have her death certificate, note she was a widow at that time, also the burial site for her son William and his wife Margaret nee Mc Millan, all buried in the Naracoorte cemetery, headstone for Margaret only. Martha and William are registered as buried in the same section, however no headstones for them. I have the shipping record for the family's imigration. The child Charles died enroute.

Permalink Reply by GeneJ on September 28, 2009 at 9:54am

Hi Wilson and Margaret:

Thank you again for supporting most wanted.

Since we both attended, Wilson, I’ll tag onto Alanna's GW Chat last evening (TY again, Alanna)--the main beneficiary of documenting your sources is You (and your family history).

You wrote, "Anything ... "

I'm a fan of many things Elizabeth Shown Mills. In particular, see her _Evidence Analysis : A Research Process Map_ (2007); it's a two sided summary that overviews terms and concepts relevant to the sources that family historians use. (It was included in first edition of her work, _Evidence Explained ..._)

Somewhat separately, "work from the known to the unknown" is often said about researching people (individuals or families). The terms can also describe the process of working with sources to find additional evidence. For example, one might say we work from sources that contain information about our relations, using both information about the relations *_and_ about those sources* to identify (a) other sources where further information about our relations should or might be found, and (b) sources by which we might learn about other such sources.

In your challenge, you've done a nice job summarizing information about your ancestors. I hope you'll take the extra step and provide us details about the key sources from which that summary was developed.

(1) You wrote, “Another researcher has a George Maynard marrying a Jane Lee in Sevenoaks …. have tried to find parents for [George] Maynard and tried to tie Charles in that way, with no [success].”

Although I prefer researching the “known,” (researching Charles to see if you find George, etc.), the possible intermarriage is already relevant to your family-- Charles and Martha seem to be the witnesses. Continuing, it _may_ be equally relevant that you didn’t find evidence about the early life/parents for either your Charles or this George Maynard. To _know_ that the negative search is relevant, however, one needs to identify the sources in which “you didn’t find evidence.” By evaluating the details about “negative sources,” we can better identify and priorities other “must see” sources.

Do you use a research log and might you easily be able to provide details about those “negative sources.” (Where “didn’t you find Charles,” and where also “didn’t you find George.”)

(2) For the benefit of our members, here’s the Wikipedia entry for Leigh, Kent, England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh,_Kent The source defines Leigh as “a civil parish in the borough of Sevenoaks, Kent, England”; it refers to the church, St. Mary’s.

I haven’t checked, but assume that definition would enable us to located the places Leigh and Sevenoaks in the Family History Library Catalog, thereby identifying record groups and titles associate with those places.

Wilson, have you been working with the Family History Library Catalog to identify possible relevant sources? Whether or not you have access to a Family History Center, the online catalog is a great resource for identifying sources that either should be or might be relevant.

(3) How much to you know about Martha Lee and her parents? She was born in Seal, Kent, England.
Here’s the link to the Wikipedia entry about Seal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal,_Kent
That source reports Seal is also in the Sevenoaks district of Kent, England. (From the map in both Wikis, appears as, so should I assume that the borough of Sevenoaks is the same as the Sevenoaks district?)
The wiki about Seal refers to ?a church, St. Peter and St. Paul’s Church.

As above, have you worked with the Family History Library catalog to learn those sources that are relevant to these places and might be relevant to your families?

(4) You wrote, “Charles and Martha had seven children, Eliza, William, Mary Ann, Thomas, Elizabeth, Esther , and Charles, all born in Sevenoaks, Kent.”

Perhaps you’d provide us an overview of the information you know about the children and the sources with which you worked to develop that information.

Do you have the baptismal records about any/all of the seven children? Perhaps you have the children’s marriage and death records?
Records that pertain to one’s children often provide clues about the parents.

Have you located entries for Charles, Martha and/or their children in the IGI database at www.familysearch.org?


(5) Margaret wrote, “Martha died in 1891 at Naracoorte South Australia.”

Thank you Margaret. Might you provide us notes about the source of that information?

Wilson, do we know when and where Charles died? Is buried? Might you have a death or burial record?


Sorry to have gone on and on. I look forward to learning more about your Charles, Martha, and their families. --GJ

Permalink Reply by Wilson on September 28, 2009 at 8:46pm

Hi GeneJ,

Thank you so much for your help, I am overwhelmed by the response so far. You have given me so much food for thought, and idea's as to where to research next. I also like to research known to unknown, however having accidently found a fellow researcher with what looks like a link to the same line of Maynards, i did get off on a tangent for a short while. I have attached a photo of the marriage registration of George Maynard and Jane Lee.
I have been using Family History Library Catalog, however i am by no means expert at finding my way around the records. My knowlege of Martha is limited to a baptismal record on IGI, that appears to match, i have applied for the registration to comfirm, and am awaiting the arrival by post. I have the a cerified copy of entry of birth for Charles and Martha's son Thomas ( My 2x great grandfather) which states born at Dibden Bottom, parish of Sevenoaks 11th April, 1839. I have Family History Library records of the other children's births or baptisms. I have no record of the death of Mary ann, and neither Mary ann or Esther came To Australia in 1852, Esther died in June1847. The youngest child Charles died enroute, and i have good info on all of the other children once they arrived in Australia. But on that note, i have been unable to find the death of Charles senior, I am fairly confident that he took up his post in Naracoorte, however do not have proof of this. I have positive proof of the death and burial of Martha, William, and his wife Margaret Maynard nee Mc Millan, all died in Naracoorte and are buried in the Naracoorte cemetery. I am so grateful for your assistance and look forward to hearing if there are any other hints that you can share.

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Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on September 28, 2009 at 12:05pm

Hi Wilson-
I found Charles in 1841 and 1851 census records, which you have probably seen already, I'm just attaching them for those who would like to see them. :)

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Permalink Reply by Kate Steere on September 28, 2009 at 12:06pm

I also found a possible match for George in 1841 and 1851

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Permalink Reply by GeneJ on September 28, 2009 at 12:35pm

Hi Kate:

The census images are great; tells us where the family was then living.

The 1841 entry seems to report the residence at Riverhead? (Click HERE for Riverhead entry at Wikipedia. I see the dau. Elizabeth is an infant.
Wiki suggests that Riverhead today is quite different than it was at the time your ancestors lived there.

Riverhead wiki mentions Riverhead Parish Church; FHL Catalog only mentions those records from 1864-1957.

There is an Internet site for "Parish of Riverhead with Dutton Green," stating, "Welcome from the church of St Mary the Virgin Riverhead in the parish of Riverhead with Dunton Green. St Mary’s church was first consecrated in 1831 and ever since then Christian worship has been offered week by week and often day by day ... As an active part of the Christian community in the Sevenoaks area today ,,,"

Wilson, if you don’t already know that the children were baptized elsewhere, perhaps with a little work you can learn if the parish registers for the 1830’s are extant for "church of St Mary the Virgin Riverhead in the parish of Riverhead with Dunton Green?"

Separately see the FHL Catalog for record title, North West Kent Family History Society, "St. Mary's Church, Riverhead, Kent, monumental inscriptions." [Cemeteries]

In the entries for Severnoaks, Kent, England (Family History Library Catalog), I see an interesting title, “Computer printout of Sevenoaks, Kent, Eng : Marriages, A thru Z, 1816-1839.” [cites FHL BRITISH Fiche 6906698].
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More later. -GJ

Permalink Reply by GeneJ on September 28, 2009 at 6:08pm

Hi Wilson:

Located compilations by a Kathryn Maynard, seems of current era; has researched some Maynards born in Leigh about the same era as your folks. As below, reports these children of a Henry Maynard reported b. at "War, England," and married at "Speldhurst, Kent, England."

See Kathryn Ingrid Maynard, Buckinghamshire, FamilySearch Pedigree submission 4588670-0406108105147 (www.familysearch.org ) and "The Maynard and Heaver and Sprengel and Frochaux Family" (http://maynard2008.tribalpages.com/ ), reports three Maynard children b. 1822-1836 at Leigh, Kent, England, chidren of a Henry Maynard and wife Mary Guy.
Same compiler, same sources, reports Henry Maynard, the father, b. bef 1803, War, England, m. 18 Aug 1822, Speldhurst, Kent, England, Mary Guy, b. 1798 War, England.

At the tribal pages compilation, compiler cites the various sources including 1871 England Census, One World Tree (with not further reference}, England and Wales Death Index: 1837-1983. Also:

◦England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
◦Text: Marriage date: 18 Aug 1822 ◦England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940

◦England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
◦Text: Marriage date: 18 Aug 1822
Marriage place: Speldhurst, Kent, EnglandResidence date: Residence place: England

◦England and Wales, Death Index: 1837-1983
◦Text: Online publication - FreeBMD. England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - General Register Office. England

More contact information available for the compiler in the Pedigree Resource entry; perhaps you'll find an email address at the tribal pages site.

Hope this helps. --GJ

Permalink Reply by Kathryn Maynard on February 11, 2011 at 5:11am

I read as above what you mentioned "Located compilations by a Kathryn Maynard, seems of current era; has researched some Maynards born in Leigh about the same era as your folks" - this is me who did this to research my Maynard families... in case you are wondering... Its still on going research...

Permalink Reply by Wilson on February 12, 2011 at 8:37pm

Hi Kathryn,

My Maynard research continues to go on as well. Have had a couple of new leads lately, and am in the process of following these up. Good luck with your ongoing research, isn't family history research addictive? I find i don't have anywhere near enough spare time to devote to it at present.

 

Cheers Wilson

Permalink Reply by Kathryn Maynard on May 16, 2011 at 3:42am

Dear Wilson

 

I still using http://maynard2008.tribalpages.com/ that i havent had chance to update it but most of maynard is there.. that s all i can find at the moment as much I m still on and off doing this in my own time.

 

I also using Ancentry website as well where my family tree are in it.

 

Regards

 

Kathryn

Permalink Reply by GeneJ on September 29, 2009 at 10:20am

Hi Wilson:

Thank you for providing the additional information.

Your research objective is to learn about the birth/parentage of Charles Maynard, b. ca 1804, perhaps at Leigh, Sevenoaks, Kent, England.

As I understand from your recent post, you have the record of this Charles, with wife and children, leaving England (1852), but you have not located evidence about Charles at Australia. Those records might have been created by Charles or about him, or about his immediate family. Ditto, you haven’t located a record of his death. Perhaps your first step is to identify records that should include evidence about him and about his death at Australia, your home country.

(1) You wrote, " I have been using Family History Library Catalog.”
Great. Might you Hope you build on your existing skills and use the Family History Library Catalog to identify for us those South Australia or other related record groups/titles where evidence about Charles and his family either have been or “should” be recorded.

Quickly glancing through some of the FHL Catalog record groups for South Australia, I note there is a title, Australian Archives, “Naturalizations Sth Australia : pre-1904, Aust. Archives.”

Based on your information, Charles was an “assisted migrant,” sponsored by “William McIntosh and Duncan Mc Rae of Mosquito Plains South Australia”; arrived Australia in 1852; Charles was expected to take up a “post” at Naracoorte.
From what I’ve been able to learn, there really wasn’t place known as “Naracoorte,” in 1852 … see the Wikipedia entry for “Naracoorte, South Australia”; in particular, “Naracoorte was formed from the merger of two towns, Kincraig …. and Narracoorte … It grew during the 1850s as a service town for people going to and from the Victorian gold rush. The Post Office opened on 22 March 1853 and was known as Mosquito Plains until 1861.”

(3) Do you know and will you provide us with the names of the historical societies that serve the present Naracoorte community? If you have contacted them, let us know the resources/sources they recommended to you. Many historical societies have Internet pages.

(4) You wrote, “I have positive proof of the death and burial of Martha….died in Naracoorte …buried Noracoorte Cemetery … have been to Naracoorte … have her death certificate, note she was a widow at the time [of her death].”
Assume that is Martha (Lee) Maynard. (BTW, “proof” is more a determination, not a “source”; when researching to find additional sources, you/we need to identify the known sources as much as we need to know the information that came from or were based on those sources).

You have Charles’ widows death certificate; are you able to post the source information and the death certificate? In the alternative, you might provide the source and abstract the details for us from the certificate.

Separately, you wrote, “Martha [(Lee) Maynard] and [her son] William are registered as buried in the same section, however no headstones for them [only for William’s wife, Margaret].
From the standpoint of identifying your source, what does “registered as buried” mean? Did you locate a cemetery card? Burial permit? Cemetery lot ownership record? Funeral home record?

Have you exhausted resources to learn more about death of Martha (Lee) Maynard. Did you find a church record related to her death? (If so, which church/located where). Have you located an obituary or death notice (when/what publication)?

You wrote, “Did you take a photograph of William’s wife’s gravestone? FYI, there is an online listing about Naracoorte Cemetery headstone. See Faithe Jones, “Naracoorte Cemetery: Naracoorte” Australian Cemeteries (http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/sa/naracoote_lucindale/n... : ... ); if you follow the links to entries G-N, you’ll see that Margaret Maynard is listed.

(5) Records about one family member often includes a notation about other family members. Have you been conducting your Australian research for this family at the family group level? In your case the family group for Charles Maynard includes his wife and all of his known children. Five of his children immigrated and four are known to have survived the trip.
It’s easier for Most Wanted members to “follow” your family group research if you upload/attach a family group sheet (FGS); include your sources/citations. Do you have a good family group sheet to use for this purpose?

More comments/questions, however, perhaps best to focus on the items above right now. --GJ

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