JOHN JONES IN WALES

Right now the one ancestor that is my HUGE BRICK WALL is John Thomas Jones from either Wales or London - as records show both. He married Jessie Hayes and emmigrated to Canada circa 1906. He was born Feb 1880 (one record states Middlesex England, and census records show Wales).

Any help is greatly appreciated......

Cheryl Jones

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Permalink Reply by GeneJ on October 25, 2009 at 9:20am

Hi Cheryl,

Irene Blackburn responded to our inquiry, "Help learning...,"; reports the English parish and civil marriage records were standardized.

Hopefully we'll be able to locate the birth record for Edward Henry Jones/Edward H. Jones 25 June 1905 in the English birth/baptismal records. See the earlier thread to this challenge.

Permalink Reply by Cheryl Jones on October 26, 2009 at 10:17am

I sure hope so. the chips keep falling off this wall - but not enough to allow a break through.

Cheryl

Permalink Reply by GeneJ on October 26, 2009 at 10:55am

Hi Cheryl:

You are not alone in hoping a whole brick will break from that wall!

P.S. I continue a genealogy developed by others about a Miller line; patriarch born PA in 1779, migrated to OH ca 1807, one of those branches intermarried with a Smith line. Fortunately, Smith descendants also research the line.)

Permalink Reply by Alan Price on November 13, 2009 at 10:03am

Hi Cheryl

I reckon John Jones must be the most common Welsh name over the last few centuries and the Thomas does not help much. I have several Jones families in my ancestry (including my mother's) and I'm getting used to tearing my hair out untangling them.

My feeling is that your John Thomas Jones was born in Denbighshire, North Wales. If his death certificate holds correct information, and he was registered by his parents within a month or so of his birth, there was only one John Thomas Jones born in the first quarter of 1880. On Free BMD, the entry is:

JONES John Thomas Ruthin District Vol 11b Page 314

In the 1881 census, he appears in the family of John Jones age 42 Gardener Domestic born Henllan along with mother Mary age 35 Gardeners Wife born Ysceifiog, Elizabeth age 14 Scholar born Henllan, Edwin Head Age 12 Scholar. John Thomas was born in Llanrhaiadr which is where the census was taken. These are all Denbighshire locations.

In 1891, the family is in St Asaph, Denbighshire where Mary is no longer with them (dead?) but another son Owen, born Holywell, Flintshire is aged 6. Edwin Head is recorded as Edward H.

In 1901, they are in Colwyn Bay on the North Wales coast where John Jones is shown as being 60 and a Gardener (not domestic). John Thomas is recorded as just J T Jones aged 21, a mason. Edwin H is a bricklayer and Owen a grocer's assistant. Elizabeth is not there, perhaps married. Birthplaces match.

Regards

Alan

Permalink Reply by GeneJ on November 13, 2009 at 11:50am

Hi Alan:

Thank you. Believe you are circling the same census family about which Cheryl has speculated. Click HERE, HERE, and HERE. Thanks for posting the details; it's nice to learn about the additional son, Owen.

Cheryl has a couple of sources that call out information about John Thomas Jones' father. As I understand, however, we don't yet have a document that calls out his town or county bith location. Ditto, we don't yet have a document that mentions his mother's given or maiden name. More discussion about how we'd hoped to learn a little more HERE.

Surely appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. --GJ

Permalink Reply by Alan Price on November 14, 2009 at 6:54am

I took a look at the 1911 census - the first to be filled in by someone in the household, rather than a census enumerator. John Jones signed it himself..

In 1911 John Jones gave his age as 72, occupation Gardener (on own account), birthplace Denbigh Henllan. He had acquired a new wife, Catherine (born Merioneth Corwen and had been married for 6 years. Edward Jones, son, was aged 27, employed as a bricklayer, birthplace Denbigh Henllan and still at home. All spoke Welsh and English. Interestingly, John Jones recorded 6 children, all alive, but none by Catherine. Address was 27 Rhiw Road, Colwyn Bay.

Permalink Reply by GeneJ on November 14, 2009 at 8:34am

Hi Alan:
Great additional source; terrific clues. Any thoughts on how we might locate an obituary or cemetery record for this John Jones? As the wife, "Mary," appears died before 1901, any thoughts on how we might locate her death or cemetery record? --GJ

Permalink Reply by Cheryl Jones on March 12, 2012 at 10:47am

Thanks everyone for your help over the last few years on the John Jones family. Unfortunately I have not been able to find any more information or clues since the last posting in 2009. The only new information to report is that my father-in-law EDWARD JONES (1931-2012) went home to be with the Lord on Saturday, and thus goes any additional information that may have been gleaned.