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Haplogroup R1a1a

Welcome to Y-chromosomal Haplogroup R1a1a. This widespread haplogroup covers central/eastern Europe, central Asia and south Asia (India). Smaller populations can aslo be found in Scandanavia, the UK and southern Europe.

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Latest Activity: Feb 3

This haplogroup is quite controversial today with opposing views on it's origin(s). One side sees it as Central Asia and another sees it as India. There is quite the debate in the scientific community. There are also few subclades of this group, which is a stark contrast to many in R1b.

R1a1 (now R1a1a) is supposedly the haplogroup that domesticated the horse and spread the Indo-European languages. This may be contested as new subclades and ancient DNA information is being revealed.

I myself have ancestry from Poland (a stronghold of R1a's) but my closest match on Ysearch.org at 67 markers is from India with a Genetic Distance (GD) of 14. Despite the distant timeframe for Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA), I contacted this person and found out that he was confused about having his closest match from Poland. Since then and we have become great friends - very very distant cousins - that both live in the US.

I originally didn't think too much about a distant connection to India, until I was in a Polish deli and as I started speaking Polish to the clerk, when a lady nearby looked at me and told the clerk that I didn't LOOK Polish. I told her that I was indeed Polish. Or was I? My genealogical research has only gotten me back to my great grand father in Poland, but I don't know much about him but his name.

My lower resolution 12 marker matches are all over Europe -England, Germany, Poland, Greece, Italy, Denmark, Norway and France and there may be what could be a remnant migration route. But what about India? The highest percentages of matches or near matches at low resolution are from Pakistan, Tajikistan and India. But low resolution may be well outside of a genealogical timeframe and maybe just hints at the past (See map image above).

I invite anyone to provide comments and especially wish to hear from other R1a1's. My journey so far into genetic genealogy takes up a good portion of my spare time as a biologist, but has made me feel more confident, outgoing and outreaching than ever before. I've enjoyed the GG presentations I've given at conferences and hope that more people will test to discover their ancient past and potential lost relatives.

Robert Sliwinski

Discussion Forum

dombek, scythes, courgan 1 Reply

"Dombek" etymology from hungarian-sarmatian language: domb(hu)=hill, mound, kourgan (eng).I discovered, that the R1a1a people was the sarmatian-scythian people! Why? I have R1a1a and on ftdna.com…Continue

Started by Balogh Attila. Last reply by William Farrar Jun 29, 2012.

R1a1a1h* Z93+ Z94- L342-

I just joined.  I am the admin for the Farrar DNA project, www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/farrar/resultsI am in haplogroup R1a1…Continue

Started by William Farrar Jun 11, 2012.

Sliwinski Project Page at FTDNA

I've created a Sliwinski surname project page at www.ftdna.com  -…Continue

Started by Robert Sliwinski Aug 24, 2010.

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Comment by Ramchandra Shankar Hegde on January 31, 2013 at 5:28pm

Interesting. My Haplogroup came out to be R1a1a - M198 and I am of Indian origin.

Comment by Sara Dzimianski on January 31, 2013 at 10:36am

I had my brother test for me through 23andMe and he came back R1a1a. Our earliest known paternal ancestor is Jan Dziemianczyk from near Bialystok, just over the border into what is modern-day Bialorus. The family self-identifies as Polish. Are there any good calculators that work with 23andMe for Y-haplogroups? 

Comment by Hammann on August 18, 2012 at 3:39pm

Hello Robert,

On my 37 Y-DNA test was found out the next DNA Information:

 Haplogroup: R1a1aShorthand: R-M198

Best Regards,

Comment by Robert Sliwinski on August 18, 2012 at 9:00am

Hello Andre, I suggest that you have some SNP tests done, if you have not already to determine which branch of R1a1a you are in.  Some R1a1a's are not Slavic.  If you test positive for marker L458 then you are truly central/eastern European.  Here is the link to the R1a1a and subclades project at FTDNA.  If you tested with them then join the group.  http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx

If not, then get back to me.      

Comment by Hammann on July 15, 2012 at 1:19pm

I'm Andre Hammann from Brazil, my Y-DNA Haplogroup is R1a1a, my ancestors were originally from a village near Breslau (Wroclow) called Waltersdorf, Silesia, Prussia. They were german speaking immigrants, named Wilhelm Hamann and his wife Pauline Graupe from Klopschen, Liegnitz, also Silesia.

It is curious to know that even thinking that my ancestors were german, because they spoke german and have german lastname "Hamann", in real that are from slavic ancestral origin, something that I found out after doing my Y-DNA test. And the region they were from was always a german-polish bordery change, it reflects exactly from were they were from.

I'm interested to learn more about Y-DNA results, I still researching about my ancestors back to Silesia.

Have a great day!

A. Hammann

Comment by Mark Even Jensen on April 26, 2012 at 3:10pm

True the Y DNA projects seem to be making discoveries, in part because individuals are interested enough to do the "walk the Y" or whatever it is called, I might be mistaken, but in this case it seems almost the amateurs are trumping scientist for discoveries; it seems fully confirmed "Old Scandinavian" Y haplogroup holder, like myself might be less than 10-20.

Comment by Robert Sliwinski on April 26, 2012 at 10:30am

Sorry folks! I need to get back into this site again and answer your questions as best as I can.  I do suggest that if you are R1a that you should check out R1a1a and Subclades at FTDNA becuase they have a number of SNP's (single mutations) to test for to determine your subclade or subgroup!  Plus they are providing geographical and ancestral group connections.  here is the link http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx

Comment by Ron Ferguson on April 20, 2012 at 3:30pm

I have just been tested at 37 markers as R1a1a, one of around 10 Fergusons on FT-DNA with this group, and the only one whose known ancestors (back to 1766) are English.

Currently awaiting the outcome of an upgrade to 67 markers.

Comment by Wayne Prather on March 24, 2012 at 11:07am

There is a very good R1a1a chart on FTDNA R1a1a and subgroups. I tried to paste it here but failed. Perhaps you can copy and paste it here.

Comment by Mark Even Jensen on February 19, 2012 at 12:06pm

well almost forgot about this group, Dr, McD confirmed some S. Asian DNA on chromo 7, but I am now "Old Scandinavian" being pos. for Z287 ans Z288 I think.

 

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