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I am interest in knowing more about my Great Grandfathers. I am a direct decedent of Hiram Haines and Oakley Philpotts Haines and would love to know more about them. I know it's a long shot, but I would love to see photographs. Here is what I know:

-Hiram Haines is the father of Oakley Philpotts Haines and he is my 4th Great Grandfather. Hiram was the editor of a news paper in Petersburg, VA, which was called the "American Constellation". He was friends with Edgar A. Poe and was a wonderful poet.

-Oakley Philpotts Haines had a son named Currie Willis Haines Sr., and he is my 3rd Great Grandfather. I know that he was the editor and chief of the Baltimore Sun. I know that my 2nd Great Grandfather Currie Willis Haines Sr. was a lawyer and attended the University of Maryland. His brother William Oakley Haines attended dental school there too.

-Currie Willis Haines Sr. had a son named Oakley Gifford Haines Sr., who is my Great Grandfather, and a son named Currie Willis Haines Jr. My Great Grandfather died in the 1970's and he was a model ship builder, a navy pilot, and worked in Hollywood.

If any of these names sound familiar, and you happen to have any history on them, or photographs, or we are closely related somehow, please feel free to respond to this post.

Thank you!!!!


Jason Haines

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Hi Jason,  I believe your line descends from Carlile Haines and Sarah Matlack, who would be your great grandfather Oakley Haines' 5th great grandparents through their son Ezekiel who went to Virginia from New Jersey.  Carlile and Sarah were my 6th great grandparents through Ezekiel's brother, Solomon Haines.

You and I would be 7th cousins.  :)

But I may be wrong about your Haines line.  I just found a Biography of Baltimore where it states your Haines line came to America in 1660 to Virginia.

Hard to know now.  Have you done a DNA test?


On Family Tree DNA, there are two Haines groups. If you do a Y DNA test then you could trace the Haines line back.

Right now, there seems to be two different Haines lines, on is a P312 which is Celtic in origin and another U106/R-198 which is Anglo Saxon. My father, Lewis DeMaugh Haines, II did the 67 marker DNA and then I have been doing testing from that point. Currently he is R-198 (Anglo Saxon) but I've ordered the latest SNP markers as there are four more.

I descend from James Haines of Salem, direct line, circa 1637 Salem, MA moved to Long Island with Rev. John Yonges and the Lynn (MA) colony by 1640. There are several other early Haines/Haynes/Hinds immigrant ancestors, you have both Richard and William Haines of Salem circa 1630's, brothers who sold 2/3 interest in a piece of property in Marblehead. James might possibly be a brother and could have owned the other 1/3 interest as he was in Salem and moved in 1640 when this property was sold. DNA testing by direct male descendants is the way to find out without the paperwork, which doesn't exist.

There is also Gov. John Haynes of CT and his brother Emanuel. Testing of their descendants Y DNA is needed. Maybe related to the Salem group or not.

Then there is the VA group. Unless someone from that group joins the Y DNA Haines/Hinds/Haynes group, there is no way to know if they are distantly related to the New England branches.

So, the bottom line is for a couple of hundred dollars (all of these kits are on sale right now and if you go to the ISOGG site on Facebook (sometimes people will give you a coupon code number that they can't use). I'd test with Family Tree (I have tested with Ancestry, Family Tree and Gedmatch.) as they store the DNA and then you can run future tests without having to submit more spit. Ancestry does have the easiest way to find cousins (for less than 100 but it is not going to give you just the Haines line that the YDNA will do) so in reality, you need to do both test. Ancestry no longer offers Y DNA so you have to do that with Family Tree DNA, anyway.

Hope this helps and that you will join some DNA genetic genealogist groups which is the way everything is going now. Easiest way to break down brick walls and save you years of researching.

Merry Christmas.

Heidi Haines Handley

The group of Haynes from VA are an different group from the New England Haines/Haynes/Hinds. I would check out the U 198 Y DNA group headed up by John Sloan. As far as I can remember and this is off the top of my head, no one in that group has tested past the 67 marker. I am thinking they might be M269 but you should check it out for yourself.

Easiest way to find your roots when there isn't a paper trail is to save yourself years of research and just do a Y DNA test at FTDNA at least to the 67 marker. Then join both Haines/Hinds/Haynes Y DNA projects.

Save yourself years of just guessing.

Heidi Haines Handley

P.s. A family finder test usually goes on sale on the holidays and they are about 80 dollars but that will only get you back less than ten generations. Great for finding cousins of those brick wall lines, in my case, mostly female lines. Again, it's a whole new world and much more fun than just searching for a paper trail. ISOGG also has a group on Facebook and they are most kind in helping novice researchers.



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