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Comment by Catherine Davis on July 25, 2010 at 4:44pm

@Spirit--
I dug around a little more on ancestry.com, and now I don't think the Eli and Jane Baker in Pomfret in 1860 are the same Eli and Jane who ended up in Bloomfield Hills, and so they did not leave a son behind. In fact, I don't know what happened to the Eli and Jane in Pomfret (at least yet) but the Eli and Jane in Bloomfield Hills were in New Haven, CT in 1860 and 1870, as evidenced below. I haven't found them in 1850.

Evidence, the ages of Eli and Jane in New Haven, and the names of some of their children, better match that of Eli and Jane in Bloomfield than do the Eli and Jane in Pomfret.

1870, New Haven, 7th Ward, Post Office Fair Haven:
Baker, Eli 48, blacksmith, b. NY
Jane B., 44, keeping house, b. NJ
Eli H., 14, b. CT
Willis A., 8, b. CT

1860, New Haven, Ward 7, Post Office New Haven:
Eli, 38, blacksmith, NY
Jane B., 35, NJ
Robert E., 6, CT
Eli, 4, CT
Sarah A, 2, CT

How did you decide you were related to either the Bloomfield Hills people or the Pomfret people? Have you found a paper trail starting with you and working backwards piece by piece?

Comment by Spirit Baker on July 25, 2010 at 11:43am

@Catherine, this is my family:

1900--Bloomfield, MI
Baker, Eli, head, Jan 1822, 78, wd, New York, New York, New York, farmer
Eli H, son, Mar 1856, 44, s, Connecticut, New York, New York, farmer
Willis A, son, Oct 1861, m14, Connecticut, New York, New York, farmer
Sarah, d-in law, Oct 1873 (sic), 36 (sic) m14, 3-3, Michigan, Ireland, Ireland
Stewart, grd son, Nov 1887, 12, s, Michigan, Connecticut, Michigan, at school
Willis A.Jr., grd son, Oct 1896, 3, s, Michigan, Connecticut, Michigan
Glenn, grd son, May 1900, 0/12, s, Michigan, Connecticut, Michigan

It is a shame that they left their first son, John E Baker behind for the rest of his life. I wonder why? He lived with Olive Sherman, I believe his first name was. And I don't think that was the only family he stayed with. It doesn't appear to be an adoption. Do you know if there is a way to look into this further. Do you think there would be court records?
Sincerely,
Spirit

Comment by Catherine Davis on June 12, 2010 at 7:51am

Spirit--No, Jane's mother was not indicated as being fron NY, Jane was, but my last note was rather confusing. Here are the actual details:

1880--Bloomfield, MI
Baker, Eli, 58, farmer, New York, New York, New York
Jane B., 54, wife, keeping house,, New York, New Jersey, New Jersey
Eli H., 24, son, farmer, Canada, New York,New Jersey
William, 18, son, farm laborer, Canada, New York, New Jersey
Trumbull, Phoebe, 16, servant, Canada, Canada, Canada

1900--Bloomfield, MI
Baker, Eli, head, Jan 1822, 78, wd, New York, New York, New York, farmer
Eli H, son, Mar 1856, 44, s, Connecticut, New York, New York, farmer
Willis A, son, Oct 1861, m14, Connecticut, New York, New York, farmer
Sarah, d-in law, Oct 1873 (sic), 36 (sic) m14, 3-3, Michigan, Ireland, Ireland
Stewart, grd son, Nov 1887, 12, s, Michigan, Connecticut, Michigan, at school
Willis A.Jr., grd son, Oct 1896, 3, s, Michigan, Connecticut, Michigan
Glenn, grd son, May 1900, 0/12, s, Michigan, Connecticut, Michigan

Comment by Spirit Baker on June 12, 2010 at 6:45am

@Catherine, I have seen the same thing. I have followed Jane and seen on first census born in VT and then it stated NY. But the husband and son's names all match with John not in the picture but we know he wasn't living with them. I will have to write this out better and look at the birth yr for Eli and Jane. You said Jane's mother is from NY? I didn't find that and was wondering if the grandmother that moved from NY to Michigan was Eli's who remarried or Jane's and she came when Jane passed away. It appears Eli remarried apx 60 yrs old. And Eli's son (Willie I believe, would have to look again) married Sarah and had some grandchildren living with Eli.
I do know no one was born in Canada so that family is out.
Thank you for your help.

Comment by Catherine Davis on June 11, 2010 at 6:46pm

Spirit--again according to ancestry.com, there is an Eli married to a Jane in Bloomfield Hills, MI, with two sons, but their ages don't match well to the 1860 census--this guy's approx birth year is 1822 (1880 & 1900) and hers is 1826 (1880). According to the 1880 census, she was born in NY, but bp for mother on the two sons' listing is NJ. Both sons were b in Canada. But in the 1900 census, mom for both was born in NY and both sons were b in CT. So, there's reason to speculate these people may be who you are looking for, but you probably need more research to really draw that conclusion.

Comment by Helen Pust on June 11, 2010 at 5:47pm

Hi Catherine
I have no idea what area his family comes from in Scotland. Grandfather was born on ship while family travelling from Scotland to England according to family lore. I have tried both English and Scotland for his birth but no luck so far.
thks Helen

Comment by Spirit Baker on June 11, 2010 at 4:55pm

@Catherine,

Thank you for your help. So it does look like I am going the right way with Eli and Jane into Michigan. Poor John, I wonder why he was abandoned. I couldn't read who he lived with. Funny thing is a gentleman was looking for a Sherman for 30 yrs and I found him in a family cemetery a couple months ago.
I've seen census go back and forth on where Jane was born but I believe VT and I think Eli and Jane moved to CT and things happened too quickly for them.
I didn't think the Eli in CT was the father and you helped confirm that.
Maybe Lewis is a cousin?
Thank you so much for all your help and hard work.
Sincerely,
Spirit

Comment by Catherine Davis on June 11, 2010 at 4:42pm

@ Marvin Caulk--
Have you seen http://www.colonialswedes.org/Forefathers/Matthiasson.html ?

Comment by Catherine Davis on June 11, 2010 at 4:36pm

@ Spirit Baker--
I checked ancestry.com and can't add much to what you already have. What I did find:
1. 1900 census, Pomfret, gives birthdate of Dec 1858 for John.
2. In 1860, age 2, he was with his parents in Pomfret. They were Eli G, b NY, age 30 (i.e., born 1830, which differs from what you have) and Jane H., b VT, age 18.
3. In 1870, John is in the household of Olive Sherman, age 51, b. CT. (ancestry has her indexed as Aline Shennan, but if you look at actual record, it says Olive Sherman. In 1860, she has a husband David. Also, in 1860, on the same page in as the Shermans is a Lewis Baker, age 37, but he was b CT, so no clue if he might be a relative.
4. I also checked the CT genweb for Pomfret, and in the cemetery listing for Sabin Cemetery, I found an Eli Baker d. Feb 4, 1844, age 56 and another for Elijah Baker, d. Nov 7, 1858, age 49, but since they were both deceased before John was born, neither was his father.

Comment by marvin caulk on June 11, 2010 at 11:40am

looking for parents and any other info on
isaac caulk
born abt 1693
died between 1748 and 1749 in “World’s End” plantation on the north side of the Sassafras River, Maryland
any leads welcome

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