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Predating the ''Origin of the name Drysdale''

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The ''Document'' below could have possibly been titled a bit different, as  it is misleading .We know the surname  Drysdale was already in use as we see from the  above referenced from criminal trial records  above .Drysdale in its many variants  of spellings was a common accepted surname , not unusual at that time .  THE NAME DRYSDALE  , was not pulled out of the hat of  Douglas as touted in this fairy tale ''Document'' supposedly from 1503 but rather the imagination of The Dunfermline Press.  

There are several printings of this since the mid 1800s , one  of the most  funny versions is the Canadian 1958 versions , pretty much the same substance , one little inclusion explaining how changing the spelling of the name DRYFESDALE  to Drysdale , by dropping the FE , somehow , aided  in escaping . It is  ludicrous to think that  in 1503 spelling  of the name Drysdale  or any other name had multiple variant and was mostly phonetic , and changed from scribe to scribe .

I have noted over 40 spelling variations  myself. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed , by far , still folks seem to accept any lie pushed in front of them as facts . Here is a question , why has Clan Johnston no record of this ? HMM  ... Nothing in the Scottish archives ... none of the Original ''copies'' has surfaced , no original ''document'' , but I can look back , and produce The earliest known written record of the name Drysdale , recorded in Latin from the inquisition of  Earl David ... recorded spelling was D R I V E S D A L E ...  look on the second line directly below the yellow bar

Standardized spellings only came about with the advent of the industrial revolution and the printing press .

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THE ORIGIN OF THE NAME DRYSDALE

 

"On the Twentieth Day of May, One Thousand Five Hundred and Three Years

 

We, Thomas, William, and James Douglas, sons of the departed Thomas Douglas , of Brushwood Haugh, in the parish of Drysdale, and Shire of Dumfries, left our native place for the reason here assigned, viz:- Defending our just and lawful rights against our unjust neighbour,Johnston ofGreenstone Hill, who, being determined to bring water to his mill through our property, and having obtained leave of his friend, the King, began his operations on Monday, the 16th of May, We prevented him by force.

The next day he brought twenty of his vassels to carryout his  work. We with two friends and three servants, eight in all, attacked Johnston with his twenty, and, in the contest, fourteen of his men were killed, along with their base leader.

 

A report of these proceedings was carried to the King, and we were obliged to fly, (the tocsin being sounded).We took shelter under the shades of the Ochil Hills, in a lonely valley on the river Devon. After having lived there a full two years, to returned home in disguise, but found all our property in the possession of Johnston's friends, and a great reward offered for our lives.

 

We, having purchased a small shot, called the Haugh of Dollar, and changed our names to the name of our Parish, are clearing in mind to spend the residue of our days under the ope of the Ochils, and wish the name of Dryfdale to flourish in the lonely valley.

 

The King passed through this with his Court on the 12th of June, 1506, going from Stirling to Falkland - dined on Halliday's green. (an eastern neighbour;) but we were not recognised."

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The above story has been preserved among the descendants of Thomas, William, and James Douglas, now known by the name of Drysdale, and copied at several times by different individuals -

first, by Simon Drysdale of the Haugh of Dollar, in the year 1620;

by Robert Drysdale of Yillicoultry, in 1708;

by John Drysdale, Dunfermline, in 1835;

by James Hogg  Drysdale, Dumfermline, in 1838;

and was printed first in the year 1833 by John Drysdale , Montrose

and again in the same form by the last named John Drysdale, Glasgow 1883 ;

and now by Thomas D. Drysdale , Westerton Farm , Leslie , Fife , 1906 . 

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         To further predate the above , back as far as 1116 ad ......

To further predate the name Drysdale , reference the PoMS Paradox of Medieval Scotland site search , There are at least 16 records there from the 12th century transcribed from Latin .  The above are  in reference to Lands of Dryfesdale Parish of Dryfesdale , or Church of Dryfesdale , not persons , Still the Drysdale in its old form is far older than the ''1503''  1906 Drysdale document version leads one to think . At one time a Scandinavian named Ingebald held the lands of Dryfesdale ,  1215 AD    Robert de Brus restores to Hugh, son of Ingebald, certain lands in Dryfesdale, to be held “ in wood and plain, land and water, in  monestary and mill” as his father held them before him, rendering to Brus the services of two vills and in the king’s army the service of one knight

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Document 2/131/22 (Glas. Reg., no. 26)

DESCRIPTION Pope Alexander III writes to Brother Ingram, bishop of Glasgow, taking the church of Glasgow into his protection; all the possessions and goods which they have or may acquire by papal permission, by the liberality of kings or the gifts of the faithful, may remain with the bishop and his successors, including the churches of Old Roxburgh (ROX), Morebattle (ROX), Hassendean (ROX), Wilton (ROX), Traquair (PEB), Peebles (PEB), Kirkurd (PEB), Cadzow (LAN), the churches of the villas which belong to the bishop’s manse, Govan (LAN), Shettleston (LAN), Kinclaith (LAN), Cadder (LAN), ‘Badermanoch’ (LAN), Carstairs (LAN), Stobo (PEB), Gilmerton (MLO), Lilliesleaf (ROX), Ashkirk (SLK), Ancrum (ROX), Troneyhill (ROX), Hoddom (DMF), Castlemilk (St Mungo, DMF), Dryfesdale (DMF), and Esbie (DMF), with all their pertinents. The pope directs that no man is permitted to disturb the church or carry away its possessions; saving the authority of the apostolic see. Should any secular person attempt to go against this, after three warnings if he should not make amends, he may lost his honour and be liable to divine justice, and subject himself to retribution.
FIRM DATE5 April 1170
DATING NOTES Non. Apr., 1170, pontifical year 11
PLACE DATE (MODERN)Veruli
PLACE DATE (DOCUMENT)verul'
RELATED PLACEVeruli
SOURCE FOR DATA ENTRYGlasgow Registrum, i, no. 26
TRAD. IDGlas. Reg., no. 26
CALENDAR NUMBER2/131/22
CHARTER TYPE Papal privilege: general confirmation 
LANGUAGE Latin

  

Document 2/131/35 (Glas. Reg., no. 32)

DESCRIPTION Pope Alexander III writes to Brother Jocelin, bishop of Glasgow, taking the church of Glasgow, a special daughter with no intermediary, into his protection; all the possessions and goods which they have or may acquire by papal permission, by the liberality of kings or the gifts of the faithful, may remain with the bishop and his successors, including Glasgow (LAN), Govan (LAN), Partick (LAN), ‘Inienchedin’ (Shettleston, LAN), ‘Roder’, Carstairs (LAN), Stobo (PEB), Dalmarnock (LAN), Kinclaith (LAN), Troneyhill (ROX), Hermiston (MLO), Lilliesleaf (ROX), Ancrum (ROX), Gilmerton (MLO), Ashkirk (SLK), with all their lands, churches, chapels and pertinents, also the churches of Morebattle (ROX), Old Roxburgh (ROX), Traquair (PEB), Peebles (PEB), Carnwath (LAN), ‘Morthevic’ (perhaps Moffat, DMF), Hassendean (ROX), Wilton (ROX), Ashkirk (SLK), ‘Lachoruar’ (Borthwick, MLO), whatever right he has inTeviotdale, Tweeddale, Clydesdale, Annandale, Dryfesdale, Lennox, Kyle, Carrick, Galloway and Lothian, with all churches, chapels and pertinents, as the privileges of the Roman see and the charters of the kings of Scots and other donors establish. The pope also sanctions the prebends of the churches, which I[ngelram], Jocelin’s successor, held, and forbids anyone from invading or illicitly detaining them. He also establishes the liberties and immunities indulged by the kings of Scots.
FIRM DATE28 February 1175 X 30 April 1175
PROBABLE DATE28 Feb. or 30 Apr. 1175
DATING NOTES2 kal. May, 1174, pontifical year 16 – however, although the pontifical year is correct, it states the 6th indiction, so should perhaps be read as 2 kal. Mar. (28 Feb.). See also _Scot. Pont._, no. 76
PLACE DATE (MODERN)Ferentino
PLACE DATE (DOCUMENT)Ferentin'
RELATED PLACE Ferentino 
SOURCE FOR DATA ENTRY Glasgow Registrum, i, no. 32 
TRAD. IDGlas. Reg., no. 32
CALENDAR NUMBER2/131/35
CHARTER TYPE Papal privilege: protection
LANGUAGE Latin

Document 2/131/46 (Glas. Reg., no. 51)


DESCRIPTION Pope Alexander III writes to Jocelin, bishop of Glasgow, taking the church of Glasgow, a special daughter with no intermediary, into his protection; all the possessions and goods which they have or may acquire by papal permission, by the liberality of kings or the gifts of the faithful, may remain with the bishop and his successors, including Glasgow (LAN), the burgh of Glasgow with all its liberties which King William granted and established by his charter, Govan (LAN), Partick (LAN), Shettleston (LAN), Cadder (LAN), ‘Badermonoc’ (later Monkland, LAN), Bedlay (LAN), Kinclaith (LAN), ‘Tor’ , Carstairs (LAN), Stobo (PEB), Gilmerton (MLO), Ashkirk (SLK), Lilliesleaf (ROX), Troneyhill (ROX), Ancrum (ROX) with all its lands, churches, chapels and other pertinents, the chapel in the castle of Roxburgh, the churches of Old Roxburgh (ROX), Morebattle (ROX), Hassendean (ROX), Wilton (ROX), Traquair (PEB), Peebles (PEB), Kirkurd (PEB), Carnwath (LAN), Carmichael (LAN), East Kilbride (LAN), Cadzow (LAN), Renfrew (RNF), Moffat (DMF), Kirkpatrick Juxta (DMF), Dryfesdale (DMF), Hoddom (DMF), ‘Lohcwhoreuerd’ (Borthwick, MLO), Colmonell (AYR), with all churches, chapels and pertinents;
 also the districts of his diocese, namely, Teviotdale, Tweeddale, Clydesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Liddesdale, Dryfesdale, Annandale, Lennox, Strathgryfe, Mearns, Largs, Cunningham, Kyle, Carrick, Glencairn, Strathnith, Desnes and whatever rights in Galloway;
 the teinds of the king’s cain in Kyle and Carrick, and the eighth part of all the king’s pleas in the diocese in gold, silver and animals; 
the tofts and lands in the king’s burghs pertaining to those churches;
 the prebends of the churches. He also establishes the liberties and
  immunities indulged by the kings of Scots.
The pope directs that no man is permitted to disturb the church or carry away its possessions; saving the authority of the apostolic see. Should any secular person attempt to go against this, after three warnings if he should not make amends, he may lost his honour and be liable to divine justice, and subject himself to retribution.
FIRM DATE 19 April 1179
DATING NOTES 13 kal. May, 1179, pontifical year 20
PLACE DATE (MODERN)Lateran
PLACE DATE (DOCUMENT)Laterani
RELATED PLACE Lateran
SOURCE FOR DATA ENTRY Glasgow Registrum, i, no. 51
TRAD. IDGlas. Reg., no. 51
CALENDAR NUMBER2/131/46
CHARTER TYPE Papal privilege: protection 
LANGUAGE Latin  

Document 2/133/4 (Glas. Reg., no. 62)
DESCRIPTION
Pope Urban III writes to Brother Jocelin, bishop of Glasgow, taking the church of Glasgow, a special daughter of the Roman church with no intermediary, into his protection, following Popes Alexander and Lucius; all the possessions and goods which they have or may acquire by papal permission, by the liberality of kings or the gifts of the faithful, may remain with the bishop and his successors, including the place where the church of Glasgow is situated, with all pertinents, that is, the burgh of Glasgow with all liberties which King William granted and strengthened by his script, Newton (LAN), Garrioch (LAN), Dalmarnock (LAN), Carntyne (LAN), ‘Crag’ (lost, LAN) , Govan (LAN), Partick (LAN), Shettleston (LAN), Balornock (LAN), Barlanark (LAN), Cadder (LAN), Balornock (LAN), Bedlay (LAN), Kinclaith (LAN), ‘Tor’, Carstairs (LAN), Stobo (PEB), Gilmerton (MLO), Ashkirk (SLK), Lilliesleaf (ROX), Hermiston (MLO), Troneyhill (ROX), Ancrum (ROX) with all its lands, churches, chapels and other pertinents; in addition, the church of Cadzow (LAN), with the chapel of Machan (LAN), the churches of Renfrew (RNF), Carnwath (LAN), the chapel of the castle of Roxburgh (ROX), the church of Old Roxburgh (ROX) with the chapel of Fairnington (ROX), the church of Morebattle (ROX), with the chapels of Clifton (ROX) and Whittons (ROX), the churches of Hassendean (ROX), Wilton (ROX), Traquair (PEB) and Peebles (PEB) with the chapel of Manor (PEB), the church of Kirkurd (PEB), the chapel of ‘Munmaban’ (lost, PEB?) , the churches ofCarmichael (LAN), East Kilbride (LAN), Moffat (DMF), Kirkpatrick Juxta (DMF), Dryfesdale (DMF), Hutton (DMF), Castlemilk (St Mungo, DMF), Hoddom (DMF), Colmonell (AYR), with all rights which they have in churches, chapel and pertinents; also the districts of his diocese, namely Teviotdale, Tweeddale, Clydesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Liddesdale, Dryfesdale, Annandale, Lennox, Strathgryf, Mearns, Largs, Kyle, Carrick, Glencairn, Strathnith, Desnes and whatever rights in Galloway; the teinds of the king’s cain in Kyle and Carrick, and the eighth part of all the king’s pleas in the diocese in gold, silver and animals and the tofts and lands in the king’s burghs pertaining to those churches; the prebends of the churches. He also forbids anyone from invading or illicitly detaining them; and he establishes the liberties and immunities indulged by the kings of Scots, and the customs, rents and services pertaining to the churches. The pope directs that no man is permitted to disturb the church or carry away its possessions; saving the authority of the apostolic see. Should any secular person attempt to go against this, after three warnings if he should not make amends, he may lost his honour and be liable to divine justice, and subject himself to retribution.
FIRM DATE 12 June 1186 
DATING NOTES 2 id. June, 1186, pontifical year 1
PLACE DATE (MODERN) Verona 
PLACE DATE (DOCUMENT)Veron'
RELATED PLACE Verona 
SOURCE FOR DATA ENTRY Glasgow Registrum, i, no. 62
TRAD. IDGlas. Reg., no. 62 
CALENDAR NUMBER2/133/4
CHARTER TYPE Papal privilege: protection 
LANGUAGE Latin   

Document 1/6/235 (RRS, ii, no. 260)

DESCRIPTION King William has granted, and by this charter established, the agreement made between Ingram, bishop of Glasgow, and Robert de Brus, on the churches of Moffat (DMF), Kirkpatrick Juxta (DMF),Dryfesdale (DMF), Hoddam (DMF) and Castlemilk (St Mungo, DMF).
FIRM DATE 15 March 1187 X 23 March 1189 
DATING NOTES Consecration of Richard, bishop of Moray × resignation of Arnold, abbot of Melrose.
PLACE DATE (MODERN)Lanark
PLACE DATE (DOCUMENT)Lannarc
RELATED PLACE Lanark 
SOURCE FOR DATA ENTRY RRS, ii, no. 260
TRAD. ID RRS, ii, no. 260 
CALENDAR NUMBER1/6/235
CHARTER TYPE Charter
 LANGUAGE Latin

 

Document 4/16/2 (SEA, i, no. 108)


DESCRIPTION This is the agreement made between Ingram, bishop of Glasgow, and Robert de Brus, being confirmed between Jocelin, bishop of Glasgow, and the same Robert de Brus, which complaint was called between the said bishops and Robert concerning certain lands in Annandale.  
Robert de Brus gave and granted to the church of Glasgow and Bishop Ingram in free and perpetual alms the church of Moffat (DMF) and the church of Kirkpatrick-Fleming, which he had in his demesne. He granted, and by his script made firm to the church of Glasgow and the same bishop, the patronage of the churches of Dryfesdale (DMF), Hoddam (DMF) and Castlemilk (DMF). So that this peace is made final between them, Robert de Brus gave homage to Ingram, bishop of Glasgow and his successors.
FIRM DATE1175 X 23 March 1189
PROBABLE DATEprob. × 1185
DATING NOTESConsecration of Jocelin as bishop of Glasgow × royal confirmation (_Glas. Reg._, no. 73), prob. same time as no. 73; William, the bishop's clerk not yet a canon.
SOURCE FOR DATA ENTRYGlasgow Registrum, i, no. 72; Scottish Episcopal Acta, i, no. 108
TRAD. IDSEA, i, no. 108
CALENDAR NUMBER4/16/2 
CHARTER TYPE Agreement 
LANGUAGE Latin 
ORIGINAL (CONTEMPORARY)yes NOTESTNA, DL 36/1, no. 120 
 

Document 3/106/3 (Reid, TDGAS 35)

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