Belgian Ancestry

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Comment by Armando Framarini on October 1, 2011 at 1:20pm

1. If you did the $289 Family Finder test (familytreedna.com) which gives you the Autosomal DNA info you can send that info free to www.gedmatch.com to compare with others from both familytreedna.com and 23andMe.com 
2. 23andMe.com charges $99.00 for all 3 test (Y-dna, mt-dna, and Autosomal) Y=traces father's male lineage, mt=mother's female lineage, Autosomal=both male and female related family in between.
3. I am looking for families from around Tongerlo and Bree area.

Comment by Armando Framarini on September 29, 2011 at 10:57am

May have come across a few more during this time.

 

Currently playing around with Autosomal DNA at 23andMe.com looking for Dutch and Belgian cousins.

Comment by Armando Framarini on November 20, 2009 at 9:01am

Again another example of variation of names using Pattyn as an example.
It is very common that variant spellings still sound like the original name, but SOMETIMES it is totally mutilated beyond recognition cutting off part of the name or merging it with another name. On occasions you have to research related brother or sisters, or the wife's family to find the missing piece.

Comment by Armando Framarini on November 20, 2009 at 8:05am

Here is a picture from an old begian armorial. 3 distinct "de Patin ou Pattyn" which are 3 lines of a related Pattyn family. You have to do your genealogy to prove a connection to any of these arms.

1) Notice the variant "de Patin" variant which you may find information under also.

2)Arms 1623 and 1625 are different although they look similiar 1623 has faint dots in the upper half of the shield which denotes the color GOLD (heraldic "Or"). In 1625 the upper half is white denoting the color Silver (heraldic "argent")

3)The page is very interesting because there maybe genealogical clues to other families or sources. Again nothing should be assumed, and clues should always be investigated and verified. Notice arms 1629 Payen and 1636 van den Perre. Because of the name Payen this should be investigated as a possible variant. "van de Perre" should be investigated because of similar shiel design. Possiblity a) van den Perre married a Pattyn and morphed arms, b) van den Perre and Pattyn share a common lineage, c) or no relation can be proven but still worthy of exploring when all other leads have been exhausted.

Comment by Armando Framarini on November 20, 2009 at 6:00am

The Central Bureau of Genealogie contians some information on Belgian families.
Belgium provinces were once part of the Netherlands. The website is CBG.nl !!!
One also to remember that the Dutch and Belgian names have been butchered that genealogy is practically a combat sport in these countries.

Example the family of PATTYN may have ancestors under the variants Pattijn, Patyn, Patijn which all have been recorded at the Central Bureau of Genealogie in The Hague, Netherlands.

The CBG also contains the famous Mushart Heraldry Collection on microfilm. There is a second and different collection in South Africa's Bureau of Heraldry which may contain additional information. Always do your genealogy first to prove connection first to coat of arms. However the collection does contain genealogical information which may help you.

Here are arms for Patyn, Patijn, Patyns, Patijns with partial description in Dutch
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Patijn; Patyn
15L: Gevierendeeld: 1+4 rozen (herald.)
16F: Gevierendeeld: 1+4 meer dan een molenijzer
18B: Gevierendeeld: 1+4 2+3 verschillend, 1 vogels
56A: Een hond, klimmend
82Ae:
87E: Monogram, letters door of naast elkaar

Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Patijns; Patyns
9P: Doorsneden: a meer dan een deel van een dier

Comment by Jo Kotylak on July 21, 2009 at 11:43pm

Can anyone tell me please is Floate a name from Belguim. Someone said so, but I just don't know. Kind Regards