Descendants of Eleanor of Aquitaine

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Comment by Pete Val on January 28, 2011 at 4:59pm

James,

Yes Isabelle is supposed to be the wife and be next to John to show the marriage...my mistake. What is wrong with the others?

Peter

Comment by Melinda on January 28, 2011 at 4:34pm

James,
It's been quite a few years since I first found the connection to Eleanor, so I don't really remember how I found it. My research started when I found my grandfather in the Sterling Genealogy and then found family in one of the Kimball genealogy books (I don't recall which one at the moment). From there, I went to Ancestry (through the library I was at) and pulled up the various links that lead to my Kimballs. In the years since then, I haven't worked on those lines, concentrating instead on family in the United States. I can see, though, from your links that there is definitely controversy. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is for my family. I think Eleanor was an incredible person whether or not I'm related, and I'd prefer to believe I am.

Comment by James P. LaLone on January 28, 2011 at 4:04pm

Lindsay, can you tell me your sources for the following lineage:

Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix-

 

Thanks, Jim.

Comment by Lindsey Wolfgang on January 28, 2011 at 3:56pm

Thank you!

Comment by Caren on January 28, 2011 at 3:34pm

Welcome to the group Lindsey! :D

Comment by Lindsey Wolfgang on January 28, 2011 at 3:28pm

Hi! I am descended from Eleanor of Aquitane a few different ways, but I'll only post one.

Eleanor of Aquitane- John "Lackland" Plantagenet- Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- Abraham Perkins- Luke Perkins- Hannah Perkins- Sarah Way- Arthur Emmons- Russell Emmons- Philanous Emmons- Amanda Emmons- Minnie Mahala Norris- Leslie John McBride- Celena Marie McBride- my grandmother- my mother- me.

Comment by James P. LaLone on January 28, 2011 at 12:13pm

Melinda, the fun & frustrating part of medieval genealogy is that I am substracting lines more then adding. I am curious for your sources for Gov. Thomas Dudley genealogy. My ex-boss is descended from that line so keep one eye open for that family, although have not really done much on it. Anyway, here are some more takes on his lineage.

http://www.familypage.org/RogerSonoHenry.pdf

 Still more -

More options May 10 2009, 12:25 pm

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval

From: Nathaniel Taylor <nltay

Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:25:41 -0400

Local: Sun, May 10 2009 12:25 pm

Subject: Re: Thomas Dudley

In article
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joec

> > Questions for the List:
> > 1. What is the opinion of this List as to Thomas Dudley's possible link to
> > John Sutton, 1st Baron Dudley? Thomas Dudley may also then be a
> > descendant of John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley and Cicely Grey (herself a
> > granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth Woodville and Sir John Grey). Would this
> > be correct, or is it all wrong? It does seem this link between Gov.
> > Thomas Dudley & Queen Elizabeth Woodville was mentioned previously on this
> > List:

> This link:
>

> is a discussion of the line, and to me, is very convincing.

Mr. Curtis' document provides a convenient restatement of the Kelley -
Kirk hypothesis, but despite its title no 'proof' was unearthed by
Kelley or Kirk or has been found since. Curtis makes much of the fact
that Dudley was listed in the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry's _Roll of
Arms_, and also that a member of the College of Arms stated, in 1953,
that Dudley's use of the differenced Sutton-Dudley coat offered
'inferential proof' of his belonging to that family.

Mr. Curtis has appended to his pdf a 'rebuttal' to some of the posts
that appeared here back in 2006 mentioning his summary. In the
'rebuttal' Mr. Curtis states that the herald's 1953 statement about the
Dudley arms was "the inspiration for my proof," but there is no
independent evidentiary value in what to my mind was a rather careless
overstatement by the herald.

> I'm told Marshall Kirk had even more evidence that was never published.

Marshall had continued to compile (in parallel with Mr. Fradd)
biographical data on the various principals, some of which could be said
to be consistent with the hypothesis, but he had found nothing
independently probative.

Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:

 

 

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/e7d5e6dc5fbc46d6/53c0bfa6c46294fc?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=thomas+dudley#53c0bfa6c46294fc

Comment by James P. LaLone on January 28, 2011 at 12:03pm

Pete, I think you have some typo errors:

John I Lackland Plantagenet (1167 - 1216)

Isabelle below is a wife, not dau. of John,
Isabelle Taillefer of Angouleme (1188 - 1246) she was also m. to Hugues X 'le Brun' de Lusignan, Comte de La Marche et d'Angoulême & they were parents of

Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291)
Isabel de Warren (1260 - 1295)

Agnes Maud Baliol

Catherine Fitzalan (1300 - 1328), see
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140217&tre...

Grey (1319 - 1375)
Matilda Grey (1360 - 1390)
Thomas de Harcourt (1377 - 1420) see
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029034&tre...

Comment by Caren on January 27, 2011 at 9:50pm

Er... for some reason it won't let me delete but Isabella - Chilham is supposed to be Isabella De Chilham.

Comment by Caren on January 27, 2011 at 9:31pm

Another link!

Eleanor of Aquitaine - John Lackland - Richard Fitzroy - Richard De Chilham - Isabella - Chilham - Margaret Strathbogie - Kenneth MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie - Alexander MacKenzie - Kenneth MacKenzie II - John Iain MacKenzie - Kenneth MacKenzie III - Roderick MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie II - Margaret MacKenzie - Duncan MacRae II - Farquhar MacRae II - Janet MacRae - Margaret MacRae - Ann MacRae - Duncan MacDonald - Alexander Findlay MacDonald - Aaron Johnson MacDonald -  Jessie Pace MacDonald - Julia Graham - Tess Huettel - My mom - Me

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