The Dispenser Family Redux - Genealogy Wise2024-03-29T11:29:43Zhttp://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/the-dispenser-family-redux?groupUrl=medieval&feed=yes&xn_auth=noContinuing, the following Des…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-09-27:3463583:Comment:2891752010-09-27T21:16:19.025ZJim Fhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JimF
Continuing, the following Despenser line is generally treated as a separate family by some sources, but is actually a different branch of the first Despenser line I posted earlier. The following note in The Complete Peerage, Vol. IV, note (a) helps to explain:<br />
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"The subject of these inquisitions was s. and h. of Philip le Despenser (who d. 24 Sep. 1313--Excheators Accounts. K.R., 3, no. 15), by Margaret (b. 12 May 1294 at Whittington, Salop, and bap. there; d. 29 July 1349), d. and h. of Ralph…
Continuing, the following Despenser line is generally treated as a separate family by some sources, but is actually a different branch of the first Despenser line I posted earlier. The following note in The Complete Peerage, Vol. IV, note (a) helps to explain:<br />
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"The subject of these inquisitions was s. and h. of Philip le Despenser (who d. 24 Sep. 1313--Excheators Accounts. K.R., 3, no. 15), by Margaret (b. 12 May 1294 at Whittington, Salop, and bap. there; d. 29 July 1349), d. and h. of Ralph Gousille, from whom this family inherited Goxhill and the other manors mentioned above. (Ch. Inq. p.m., Edw. I, file 69, no. 12; Edw. II, file 6, no 12, file 34, no. 5; Edw. III, file 96, no. 21). See also Gousille and Ros of Watton. The last-named Philip was yr. s. of Hugh le Despenser the elder (Close Rolls, 6 Edw. II, m. 21, ; 20 Edw. III, p. 1, m. 25d; 21 Edw. III, p. 1, m. 6). not, as usually stated, of Hugh the younger. His father gave him the manors of Parlington, co. York and Alkborough, co. Lincoln, and the goods and chattels therein, by letters patent dated the day of St. John the Baptist 22 Edw. I [24 Jun 1294]. (Ancient Deeds, A, no. 3185).<br />
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So, again, from the standard reference work The Complete Peerage, Vol. IV, pp. 288-294 is the following additional line:<br />
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(1) Hugh le Despenser, Earl of Winchester, b. 1 Mar 1260, d. 27 Oct 1326, Bristol, Executed, m. Isabella de Beauchamp<br />
His younger son's (cadet) line:<br />
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(2) Philip le Despenser, Lord of Parlington &c., d. 24 Sep 1313, m. Margaret Gousille<br />
(3) Sir Philip le Despenser, of Camoys & Goxhill, b. 6 Apr 1313, Lincoln co., d. 22/23 Aug. 1349, m. Joan Cobham<br />
(4) Sir Philip le Despencer, Lord le Despenser, b. 18 Oct 1342, Gedney, d. 4 Aug 1401, Goxhill, m. Elizabeth unknown<br />
(5) Philip le Despencer, Lord Despenser, b. ca 1365, d. 20 Jun 1424 d.s.p.m., m. Elizabeth de Tibetot<br />
(6) Margery le Despenser, Lady Roos (m. 1st John Ros, 7th Lord Ros) m. 2ndly Roger Wentworth , Baron Despenser<br />
(7) Sir Philip Wentworth d. 18 May 1464, Middleham,co. York, taken prisoner by Yorkists at battle of Hexham & beheaded, m. Mary de Clifford<br />
(8) Sir Henry Wentworth bd. ca 1448 dd. bef 27 Feb 1500 m. Anne Say<br />
(9) Sir Richard Wentworth, Lord Wentworthe bd. ca 1480 d. 17 Oct 1528 m. Anne Tyrelle<br />
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The following refers to Sir Richard Wentworth and his descendants regarding the Lordship of Despenser:<br />
"...any hereditary Barony of Despenser, that may be supposed to have been created by the writ of 1387, became then united to that of Wentworthe. For further particulars and the subsequent descent of those Baronies see Wentworth [Complete Peerage, vol IV, p. 294].<br />
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In additon to the mistake that Philip le Despenser was a younger son of Hugh 'the Younger' (which is also found in the first series of the CP as well, corrected in the second series) is the error regarding the wife of (#3 above) Philip le Despenser of Camoys, here corrected to Joan Cobham. The mistake being that he married a Joan Strange and that their son (4) Philip had married Margaret Cobham (when in fact his son married an Elizabeth unk.). This, combined with the number of Philips named le Despenser confused later compilers causing this to be treated as a separate Despenser line or in a few cases treated as a cadet line of the younger Hugh le Despenser (see Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, p. 166 "Despencer--Barons Despencer, Earl of Gloucester"). Given the name Despenser is an occupational one, much like Smith or Cooper, and was not at that time particularly uncommon, it isn't surprising there were several famililes of the same name. However, this line is part of the same Hugh le Despenser line (one of Edward II's favorites). The CP information is supported by other sources as well, I just offered this as it comes from the Complete Peerage which is readily available. Some of you may want to consult volume IV (whcih is also available digitized online) for the details of the above Despensers).<br />
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Also, here is a list of abbreviations used in the Complete Peerage (modified and edited from CP vol 1, pp. xxxiv - xxxvl):<br />
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&c. - etcetera (modern etc.)<br />
admon - administration<br />
afsd. - aforesaid<br />
ap. - apparent (as in 'heir apparent')<br />
Arch. - Archieologia, 1809<br />
b. - born<br />
bap. - baptized<br />
Barr. - Barrister at Law<br />
bur. - buried<br />
cod. - codicil<br />
coh. - coheir<br />
Coll. Top. et Gen. - Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, 8 vols., Nichols & Son, London, 1834-43<br />
Coll. Gen. - Collectanea Genealogica, edited by J. Foster, vol. i, 1881<br />
Collins - Collins' Peerage of England, edited by Sir E. Brydges, 9 vols, 1812<br />
Compendium [E.] - Compendium, English Peerage, 1st to 13th editions, 1718-69<br />
Compendium [S.] - Compendium, Scottish Peerage, 1st to 7th edit., 1720-64<br />
Compendium [I.] - Compendium, Irish Peerage, 1st to 5th edit., 1722-56<br />
Courthope - Courthope's Historic Peerage of England, 1857<br />
Crawfurd - Crawfurd's Peerage of Scotland, folio, 1716<br />
Crossley - Crossley's Peerage of Ireland, folio, 1725<br />
cr. - created<br />
Cruise - Cruise on Dignities, 2nd edit., 1823<br />
d. - decessit [Latin] died<br />
diem cl. ext - diem clausit extremum, (a writ issued to convene a jury to conduct an inquiry post mortem)<br />
da. - daughter<br />
dat. - dated<br />
disp. - dispensation (an exemption from a rule of law or obligation)<br />
Douglas - Douglas' Peerage of Scotland, 2nd edition, edited by J. P. Wood, 2 vols.,1813<br />
Dugdale - Dugdale's Baronage of England, 2 vols., 1675-76<br />
ed. - educated<br />
[E.] - England<br />
Ex. Hist. - Excerpta Historica, 1831<br />
Fac. off. - Faculty office, London<br />
Fun. Cert. - Funeral Certificate<br />
Gen. - Genealogist, edited by G. W. Marshall, 1877-83<br />
[G.B.] - Great Britain<br />
Han. Sq. - Hanover Square, Middlesex<br />
h. - heir<br />
Her. and Gen. - Herald and Genealogist, edited by J. G. Nichols, 8 vols., 1863-74<br />
Hewlett - Hewlett's Dignities in the Peerage of Scotland..., 1882<br />
Hewlett's Jur. - Hewlett's Jurisdiction in regard to Scottish Titles of Honour, 1883<br />
Hist. MSS. Com. - Historical Manuscripts Commission<br />
[I.] - Ireland<br />
Inq. - Inquisition<br />
Inq. p. m. - Inquisition post mortem<br />
J. P. - Justice of the Peace<br />
lic. - license<br />
Lib. Hib. - Liber Munerum Publicorum Hibemice, 19 Stephen to 7 Geo. IV, 1852<br />
Lodge - Lodge's Peerage of Ireland, 2nd edit., edited by M. Archdall, 7 vols., 1879<br />
Lond. off. - Bishop of London's office<br />
L.C.C. - London County Council<br />
Lords Reports - Reports on the dignity of a Peer of the Realm..., 4 vols., 1826<br />
Lynch - Lynch's Feudal Baronies in Ireland, 1830<br />
Maidment - Maidment's Genealogical Collections, pp. 172, 1882. Privately printed<br />
m - married<br />
mar. lic. - marriage licence<br />
mar. settl. - marriage settlement<br />
matric - matriculated<br />
M.I. - monumental inscription<br />
Miss. Gen. et Her. - Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, edited by J. J. Howard, 2 vols., 1868-76<br />
Nicolas - Nicolas' Synopsis of the Peerage of England, 2 vols., small 8vo., 1825<br />
Nichols' Wills - Royal and Noble Wills, 1087 to 1508, edited by J. Nichols, 1780<br />
off. - office<br />
pr. - proved<br />
P.C. - Privy Councillor<br />
Rep. - Representative<br />
Riddell - Riddell's Law and Practice in Scottish Peerages, 2 vols., 1842<br />
Robertson - Robertson's Proceedings relating to the Peerage of Scotland, Edinburgh, 1790<br />
[S.] - Scotland<br />
Segar - " Baronagium Genealogicuin, " by Sir W. Segar, MS., 3 vols., in the College of Arms, London. Selden - Selden's Titles of Honour, 3rd edit.,<br />
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folio, 1672<br />
s. - son<br />
s.p. - sine prole, [Latin] without issue<br />
s.p.legit. - sine prole legitima [Latin] without legitimate issue<br />
s.p.m. - sine prole mascula [Latin] without male issue<br />
s.p.m.s. - sine prole masculd superstite [Latin] without surviving male issue<br />
s.p.s. - sine prole superstite [Latin] without surviving issue<br />
spec - special<br />
Sq. -square<br />
St. - Saint<br />
Str. - street<br />
suc. - succeeded<br />
sum. - summoned<br />
Summons - Summons of the Nobility to the Parliaments, 1264 to 1685, W. Dugdale, 1685<br />
surv. - surviving<br />
Test. Vet. - Testamenta Vetusta, 1190-1560, N. H. Nicolas, 1826<br />
Top. and Gen. - Topographer and Genealogist, J. G. Nichols, 3 vols., 1846-58<br />
[U.K.] - United Kingdom<br />
unm. - unmarried<br />
v.f. - vita fratris [Latin] during his brother's lifetime<br />
v.m. - vita matris [Latin] during his mother's lifetime<br />
v.p., vitci patris [Latin] during his father's lifetime<br />
V.C.H. - Victoria History of the Counties of England, H. A. Doubleday & William Page<br />
Vic. Gen. - Vicar General's office, London<br />
Visit. - The Heralds' Visitation of the county<br />
Westm. - Westminster<br />
yr. - younger<br />
yst. - youngest<br />
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Note - In some cases you will find abbreviations combined, such as d.v.m., where you use this list to look up "d." (died, or decessit in Latin) and link it to "v.m." (Latin, vita matris, or in the mother's lifetime). Together it means the person predeceased his or her mother.<br />
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Jim I've come across this name (a…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-09-26:3463583:Comment:2890602010-09-26T21:01:49.127ZJim Fhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JimF
I've come across this name (as Chancellor) several times in researching Edward II and the two Dispencers. The only thing I've seen that <i>might</i> point to his origins are references to a Bloomfield's <i>Norfolk</i> in various sources referring to a Baldock family in Norfolk. Don't know if it's his family but if you haven't already checked there there you might see if you can find a copy. Just a thought. Anyway, best of luck in your researching.<br />
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Jim
I've come across this name (as Chancellor) several times in researching Edward II and the two Dispencers. The only thing I've seen that <i>might</i> point to his origins are references to a Bloomfield's <i>Norfolk</i> in various sources referring to a Baldock family in Norfolk. Don't know if it's his family but if you haven't already checked there there you might see if you can find a copy. Just a thought. Anyway, best of luck in your researching.<br />
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Jim Jim
Great article. During my…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-09-26:3463583:Comment:2890212010-09-26T12:36:13.083ZSteve Baldockhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/SteveBaldock
Jim<br />
Great article. During my genealogical research, I have found myself reading about this period & family particularly their association with Robert Baldock, chancellor to Edward II, and also of his namesake, Robert Baldock serjeant-at-law to James II. Although I cannot currently find a line or link to either, I have my line back to late 1500s and hold out hope of an eventual success. I have many Robert Baldocks, but none the right one!<br />
In the meantime it has all revitalised my interest in…
Jim<br />
Great article. During my genealogical research, I have found myself reading about this period & family particularly their association with Robert Baldock, chancellor to Edward II, and also of his namesake, Robert Baldock serjeant-at-law to James II. Although I cannot currently find a line or link to either, I have my line back to late 1500s and hold out hope of an eventual success. I have many Robert Baldocks, but none the right one!<br />
In the meantime it has all revitalised my interest in history & reading.