Shofners - Genealogy Wise2024-03-28T15:01:03Zhttp://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/shofners-1?x=1&id=3463583%3ATopic%3A253433&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHenry Shofner's dates are all…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2018-11-24:3463583:Comment:7615832018-11-24T10:39:53.417ZSusan Van Deren Helmehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/SusanVanDerenHelme
<p>Henry Shofner's dates are all wrong to have been a descendant of Michael Shoffner. Plus he was not mentioned in anybody's will.</p>
<p>He married a girl from Mecklenberg Co not Orange. Except for the ones who went to Bedford TN, all Michael Shoffner's offspring settled in Orange.</p>
<p>Henry Shofner's dates are all wrong to have been a descendant of Michael Shoffner. Plus he was not mentioned in anybody's will.</p>
<p>He married a girl from Mecklenberg Co not Orange. Except for the ones who went to Bedford TN, all Michael Shoffner's offspring settled in Orange.</p> Michael Christian Shoffner an…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2018-08-28:3463583:Comment:7552372018-08-28T13:44:40.629ZEVELYN DAVIS COURTNEYhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/EVELYNDAVISCOURTNEY
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">Michael Christian Shoffner and Anna…</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">Michael Christian Shoffner and Anna Margaretha Fogleman were my 5th great grandparents;</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">4th - Martin Shofner, Jr and Philabena Duirr</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">3rd - Daniel Shofner and Elizabeth Warren</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">2nd - Nelson Walton and Marticia Shofner</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">great grandparents - Charles Brown McHenry and Cordelia Ann Walton</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">grandparents - William Thomas McHenry and Louisa Frances Wakefield</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">parents - Ollie P Davis and Tommie G Davis</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; font-family: Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">me</span></p>
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<p></p> Here's my Douglas ancestry (i…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-17:3463583:Comment:7390952017-04-17T16:13:19.064ZSusan Van Deren Helmehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/SusanVanDerenHelme
<div class="ancGrid"><div><b>Here's my Douglas ancestry (if it's true. I haven't collected evidence) How about you? Are we cousins?<br></br></b></div>
<div><b>George 'the Red Douglas', 1st Earl of Angus, Earl of Mar Douglas</b> (1376 - 1402)<br></br><i><b>17th great-grandfather</b></i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-82925651">William DOUGLAS, 2nd Earl of Angus (1399 - 1437)</a><br></br><i>son of George 'the Red Douglas', 1st Earl of…</i></div>
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<div class="ancGrid"><div><b>Here's my Douglas ancestry (if it's true. I haven't collected evidence) How about you? Are we cousins?<br/></b></div>
<div><b>George 'the Red Douglas', 1st Earl of Angus, Earl of Mar Douglas</b> (1376 - 1402)<br/><i><b>17th great-grandfather</b></i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-82925651">William DOUGLAS, 2nd Earl of Angus (1399 - 1437)</a><br/><i>son of George 'the Red Douglas', 1st Earl of Angus, Earl of Mar Douglas</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-82929495">George the Red DOUGLAS, 4th Earl of Angus, Abernethy and Jedburgh Forest (1429 - 1462)</a><br/><i>son of William DOUGLAS, 2nd Earl of Angus</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-82931718">Archibald Bell the Cat 5th Earl of Angus Douglas (1449 - 1513)</a><br/><i>son of George the Red DOUGLAS, 4th Earl of Angus, Abernethy and Jedburgh Forest</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-83801848">George, Master of Angus Douglas (1469 - 1513)</a><br/><i>son of Archibald Bell the Cat 5th Earl of Angus Douglas</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-83853017">George DOUGLAS of Pittendriech (1497 - 1552)</a><br/><i>son of George, Master of Angus Douglas</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-83908357">James of Pittendreich DOUGLAS 4th Earl of Morton, Regent of Scotland (1516 - 1581)</a><br/><i>son of George DOUGLAS of Pittendriech</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-83910631">George DOUGLAS of Parkhead (1578 - )</a><br/><i>son of James of Pittendreich DOUGLAS 4th Earl of Morton, Regent of Scotland</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-83955281">James, of Parkhead and Torthorwald DOUGLAS ( - 1608)</a><br/><i>son of George DOUGLAS of Parkhead</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-84228962">James DOUGLAS of Parkside, 6th Lord Carlyle of Torthorwald ( - 1609)</a><br/><i>son of James, of Parkhead and Torthorwald DOUGLAS</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-101891539">George DOUGLAS of Waterside (1659 - 1737)</a><br/><i>son of James DOUGLAS of Parkside, 6th Lord Carlyle of Torthorwald</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-101896300">HUGH DOUGLAS of Garrallan (1648 - 1767)</a><br/><i>son of George DOUGLAS of Waterside</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-101900137">HUGH DOUGLAS of Garrallan (1714 - 1776)</a><br/><i>son of HUGH DOUGLAS of Garrallan</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-101905390">William DOUGLAS Col. (1732 - 1783)</a><br/><i>son of HUGH DOUGLAS of Garrallan</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-101912579">Patrick Hume DOUGLAS Dr. (1771 - 1820)</a><br/><i>son of William DOUGLAS Col.</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-107576772">William Byrd DOUGLAS (1815 - 1882)</a><br/><i>son of Patrick Hume DOUGLAS Dr.</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-107590036">William Byrd 'Byrd' Sr DOUGLAS (1845 - 1911)</a><br/><i>son of William Byrd DOUGLAS</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-107645854">Beverly 'Poppy' DOUGLAS Dr (1891 - 1975)</a><br/><i>son of William Byrd 'Byrd' Sr DOUGLAS</i></div>
<div><a class="relative" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-107647185">JOSEPHINE Coleman Douglas (1930 - 2013)</a><br/><i>daughter of 1.5.5.13.2.1-1 Beverly 'Poppy' DOUGLAS Dr</i></div>
<div><a class="bottomName" href="https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13204075/person/-108165630"><b>me Susan Van Deren Helme</b></a><br/><i>You are the daughter of 1.5.5.13.2.1.2 JOSEPHINE Coleman Douglas</i></div>
</div> Thank you. That ties up some…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-17:3463583:Comment:7392792017-04-17T10:14:39.893ZWilliam Douglashttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>Thank you. That ties up some loose ends.</p>
<p><span>The story of the princes of Deheubarth – once rulers of much of south west Wales – is a fascinating mix of ambition, rivalry, castle-building and cultural awakening. Formidable characters such as law maker Hywel Dda, and the powerful Lord Rhys ensured the dynasty’s supremacy in the region for over 300 years. For those with welsh ancestry, it is worth studying.</span></p>
<p><span>Sir Dafydd ap Llewelyn ap Hywel (c. 1380 – 25 October…</span></p>
<p>Thank you. That ties up some loose ends.</p>
<p><span>The story of the princes of Deheubarth – once rulers of much of south west Wales – is a fascinating mix of ambition, rivalry, castle-building and cultural awakening. Formidable characters such as law maker Hywel Dda, and the powerful Lord Rhys ensured the dynasty’s supremacy in the region for over 300 years. For those with welsh ancestry, it is worth studying.</span></p>
<p><span>Sir Dafydd ap Llewelyn ap Hywel (c. 1380 – 25 October 1415), better known as Dafydd Gam or Davy Gam, was a Welsh nobleman. He died at the Battle of Agincourt fighting for King Henry V, King of England in that victory against the French.</span></p>
<p><span>You have some interesting ancestors!</span></p> Henry shofner who married Chl…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-17:3463583:Comment:7390572017-04-17T09:49:23.405ZSusan Van Deren Helmehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/SusanVanDerenHelme
<p>Henry shofner who married Chloe/Clara Hart was not a son of Michael Shoffner Sr (Johann Michael Schaffert).</p>
<p>Henry shofner who married Chloe/Clara Hart was not a son of Michael Shoffner Sr (Johann Michael Schaffert).</p> Many of these sites call her…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-17:3463583:Comment:7391792017-04-17T04:23:24.937ZMary Dorthea Lundeenhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/MaryDortheaLundeen
<p> Many of these sites call her Catherine Roundtree Cooke. That doesn't sound like she was born Cooke. Rather, it sounds like Roundtree was her maiden name. and Cooke the name of her 1st husband. .Or that Roundtree was her middle name, which would have been odd for a girl at that time. Or that she was the child of her mother's first marriage , and Cooke was her stepfather--hence two last names. In any case, it's very curious.</p>
<p> Many of these sites call her Catherine Roundtree Cooke. That doesn't sound like she was born Cooke. Rather, it sounds like Roundtree was her maiden name. and Cooke the name of her 1st husband. .Or that Roundtree was her middle name, which would have been odd for a girl at that time. Or that she was the child of her mother's first marriage , and Cooke was her stepfather--hence two last names. In any case, it's very curious.</p> My mother was Josephine Colem…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-15:3463583:Comment:7391722017-04-15T09:50:17.814ZSusan Van Deren Helmehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/SusanVanDerenHelme
<p>My mother was Josephine Coleman Douglas, d/o Beverly Douglas (s/o William Byrd Douglas descended from the Red Douglas and Adelaide Wharton Gaines descended from Davy Gam and the princes of Deheubarth) and Josephine Hutton (descent as yet untraced).</p>
<p>Susie</p>
<p>My mother was Josephine Coleman Douglas, d/o Beverly Douglas (s/o William Byrd Douglas descended from the Red Douglas and Adelaide Wharton Gaines descended from Davy Gam and the princes of Deheubarth) and Josephine Hutton (descent as yet untraced).</p>
<p>Susie</p> Hi Bryan,
I am writing a gene…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-15:3463583:Comment:7390492017-04-15T09:46:40.582ZSusan Van Deren Helmehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/SusanVanDerenHelme
<p>Hi Bryan,</p>
<p>I am writing a genealogy of Johann Michael Schaffert (Shoffner, Christian was a mistake), so I have too much information to impart (46,000 + words and a Tree of 1000s). Best if you ask me specific questions. Pls let me know your lineage.</p>
<p>Susie</p>
<p>susiehelme@blueyonder.co.uk</p>
<p>Hi Bryan,</p>
<p>I am writing a genealogy of Johann Michael Schaffert (Shoffner, Christian was a mistake), so I have too much information to impart (46,000 + words and a Tree of 1000s). Best if you ask me specific questions. Pls let me know your lineage.</p>
<p>Susie</p>
<p>susiehelme@blueyonder.co.uk</p> Actually, her being Roundtree…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-14:3463583:Comment:7390702017-04-14T15:27:44.249ZMary Dorthea Lundeenhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/MaryDortheaLundeen
<p>Actually, her being Roundtree makes sense, because it would explain how Martin met her. She could have been a young bride living in Alamance County, and when her husband died she might have gone back to her parents in Duplin, and then Martin went there to marry her. Family records say she was from Alamance. She couldn't have been married very long to her 1st husband, because she had no child, and they usually had a child in the 1st year of marriage, and we can agree she was fertile, since…</p>
<p>Actually, her being Roundtree makes sense, because it would explain how Martin met her. She could have been a young bride living in Alamance County, and when her husband died she might have gone back to her parents in Duplin, and then Martin went there to marry her. Family records say she was from Alamance. She couldn't have been married very long to her 1st husband, because she had no child, and they usually had a child in the 1st year of marriage, and we can agree she was fertile, since she later had 10 children. She could have become a Lutheran after marriage to Martin. </p>
<p>I was unable to open the marriage record.</p>
<p>Their children's names were English and they married non-German-sounding spouses. I think the children's names could be a clue as to her family members. There's a John and a Margaret ( after Margaret MacRae?)</p>
<p>I am intrigued by the Henry Cook Jr. who witnessed Michael's will. He must have been a relative, and his father must have been Henry Cook, Sr. He might have been Catherine's brother or cousin or even her father. And he must have moved to Alamance County by then, also. And Christina Cook--had Catherine's whole family moved to Alamance ?</p>
<p>My father was Jordan Floyd Watson. His father (my grandfather) was called "Jord" pronounced "Jerd" , not "Joe". Clyde was James Clyde. I never heard Lois called "Lo". The last one was Mary Jordine. she died in 2011. Most of them were called by their middle names, which I assume was a southern custom. I have extensive information about all of them if you want it.</p> Probably not. I helped a Cou…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2017-04-14:3463583:Comment:7387692017-04-14T15:25:38.652ZBrownie MacKiehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/BrownieMacKie
<p>Probably not. I helped a Cousin with a family book, and it cost more to do than we could charge for it. Also, usually family members come out of the woodwork wanting free copies. </p>
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<p>Probably not. I helped a Cousin with a family book, and it cost more to do than we could charge for it. Also, usually family members come out of the woodwork wanting free copies. </p>
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