Our colonial-era Long Island ancestors - Genealogy Wise2024-03-28T16:45:08Zhttp://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/our-colonialera-long-island?groupUrl=longislandgenealogy&commentId=3463583%3AComment%3A716579&groupId=3463583%3AGroup%3A17362&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI have a ton of Oyster Bay an…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2016-02-22:3463583:Comment:7166762016-02-22T17:22:20.002ZCynthia Joslinhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/CynthiaJoslin
<p>I have a ton of Oyster Bay ancestors due to my 3rd great-grandmother Phebe Coles marrying into the Van Gelders of Brooklyn. But what a mess! So many books contradict each other and they all married each other! In fact, four of Nicholas Wright's children were ancestors: John who married Mary Townsend; Sarah who married Josiah Latting; Caleb who married Elizabeth Dickinson; and Mercy who married Robert Coles. </p>
<p>It's a wonder I can do any genealogy at all! </p>
<p>I have a ton of Oyster Bay ancestors due to my 3rd great-grandmother Phebe Coles marrying into the Van Gelders of Brooklyn. But what a mess! So many books contradict each other and they all married each other! In fact, four of Nicholas Wright's children were ancestors: John who married Mary Townsend; Sarah who married Josiah Latting; Caleb who married Elizabeth Dickinson; and Mercy who married Robert Coles. </p>
<p>It's a wonder I can do any genealogy at all! </p> Has the question of the ances…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2016-02-22:3463583:Comment:7165792016-02-22T17:14:47.484ZCynthia Joslinhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/CynthiaJoslin
<p>Has the question of the ancestry of Elizabeth Dickinson who married Caleb Wright 11 Oct 1671 ever been cleared up? Most researchers have her as a descendant of John Howland of the Mayflower. However, I read a blog in which the writer is a member of the Mayflower Society and states that there is no proof of this connection. <a href="http://mhollick.typepad.com/slovakyankee/2008/11/index.html">http://mhollick.typepad.com/slovakyankee/2008/11/index.html</a></p>
<p>Does anyone have any current…</p>
<p>Has the question of the ancestry of Elizabeth Dickinson who married Caleb Wright 11 Oct 1671 ever been cleared up? Most researchers have her as a descendant of John Howland of the Mayflower. However, I read a blog in which the writer is a member of the Mayflower Society and states that there is no proof of this connection. <a href="http://mhollick.typepad.com/slovakyankee/2008/11/index.html">http://mhollick.typepad.com/slovakyankee/2008/11/index.html</a></p>
<p>Does anyone have any current news?</p>
<p></p> Peter CAVERLY 1694-1747
Also…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2014-02-04:3463583:Comment:6724422014-02-04T14:35:11.452ZPaul Caverlyhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/PaulCaverly
<p><u>Peter CAVERLY 1694-1747</u></p>
<p>Also referred to as Cavalier or Cavalie.</p>
<p>Possibly Huguenots of Oyster Bay, Musketa Cove.</p>
<p>Question: Why do we find the Cavalier families in the New York city area and then Peter Caverly in Queen's County. Are we sure these two surnames are the same origin.</p>
<p>Petition of Peter Caverly of Oyster Bay, in Queen's County, praying a patent for a ferry between neck of land in that town called Caverly's Island and Rye.</p>
<p>They had their…</p>
<p><u>Peter CAVERLY 1694-1747</u></p>
<p>Also referred to as Cavalier or Cavalie.</p>
<p>Possibly Huguenots of Oyster Bay, Musketa Cove.</p>
<p>Question: Why do we find the Cavalier families in the New York city area and then Peter Caverly in Queen's County. Are we sure these two surnames are the same origin.</p>
<p>Petition of Peter Caverly of Oyster Bay, in Queen's County, praying a patent for a ferry between neck of land in that town called Caverly's Island and Rye.</p>
<p>They had their children baptized in St. George Church at Hempstead, Long Island.</p>
<p>NY Indorsed Land Records 1643-1803. 1730 Peter Caverly of Oyster Bay in Queen's County, praying a patent for ferry between a neck of land in that town called Caverly's Island and Rye.</p>
<p>1683 - Oyster Bay in Queens County</p>
<p>1784 - " " in "</p>
<p>1883- transferred to the town of Huntington, Suffork County.</p>
<p>1899 - Oyster Bay now in Nassau County</p>
<p>Will for Peter , copy provided through Bruce Murduck (Darcy's files). Will Book 16 of New York County, Oyster Bay, pgs 239-241.</p>
<p><u>Peter Gerardus CAVALIER 1672-1699</u></p>
<p>New Amsterdam & New York Reformed Dutch Church</p>
<p>Baptisms 1675</p>
<p>This is one of a series of transcribed records for baptisms at the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam (New York City) in New Netherland (New York The baptisms are laid out in order as follows: The date of the baptism; the parents; the child; and the witnesses. Note the separation of each item by semicolons.</p>
<p>(1) New Amsterdam: Marriages & Baptisms of the Reformed Church of New Amsterdam (1639-1730)</p>
<p>Abbrev: New Amsterdam: Marriages & Baptisms of the Reformed Church of New Amsterdam (1639-1730) Vol. l, pg 85</p>
<p>den 3 apr. Pieter Chavelier, Wedr, Cornelia Bosch, Jd. van N. Yorke, beyde woonende alhier. den 3 april, met een licentie.</p>
<p>(2) New Amsterdam & New York Reformed Dutch Church Baptisms 1700</p>
<p>21 Feb; Pieter Cavelier, Cornelia Bosch; Henricus; Hendrik Bosch & wife Maria Van der Beek</p>
<p>(3) Collections of the NYG&B Societh Vol l, pg 136</p>
<p>Hendricus/Henry Cavalier married</p>
<p>Eleanor/Helena Burger, 9 Sept 1721</p>
<p>by license dated 8 Sept in the NY DRC</p>
<p>(4) New Amsterdam & New York Reformed Dutch Church Baptisms 1698</p>
<p>24 Jul; Pieter Cavelier, Cornelia Bosch; Johannes; Jurian Bosch & de Moeder self</p>
<p>(5) New Amsterdam & New York Reformed Dutch Church Baptisms 1702</p>
<p>15 Apr; Pieter Cavelier, Cornelia Bosch; Helena; Pieter Bant, Maria Cavelier</p>
<p><u>Jean CAVALIER</u></p>
<p>Possibly lived on Lang De Wall (Wall St., south side).</p>
<p>John Cavalier & Peter Cavalier report to maj. Anthony Brockholes, June 1696.</p>
<p>R.D. Owen also wrote that "Jean Cavalier...came to New York before 1670...He died in 1699 and had served as a clerk in a law court." Other sources give 1696 as date of death.</p>
<p>I have speculated that Jean might have been Huguenot and, therefore, left France to avoid persecution by Catholics and that he might have travelled via England.</p>
<p>In 1721 the Oyster Bay Town Records show that Job Iarland sold his land and house near Musketa Cove to Peter Caverly, I for 200 pounds. Since it reads that Job Iarland is of the "Towne Shipe of Oysterbay in Queens County" and "Peter Caverly of New York, Shipe Carpenter", I'm thinking that the Caverlys stayed in New York City until Peter, I made the above purchase.</p>
<p>Leaving France via England to escape prosecution of Catholics is a strong possibility. But the English were Anglican and also anti-Catholic. In fact England requested a report in 1696 of the known Catholics in New York City. There were only 10 listed, Jean and son Peter being among them. There were other religions be practices but the mother country only asked for a list of Catholics. </p>
<p>CAVERLYS of Long Island later migrated up the Hudson River to Ulster County near Marlboro. As the families expanded some moved to Upper Canada (Ontario) during and after the revolution.</p> Oh, how exciting for this Can…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2012-08-29:3463583:Comment:4614432012-08-29T05:25:12.900ZElizabeth Gail McArthurhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/ElizabethGailMcArthur
<p>Oh, how exciting for this Canadian grandmother to find you folks, many of whom must be distant cousins! My Rehoboth and Long Island names are: Carpenter, Titus, Millard, Dean, Haviland, Powell, Swazey Willots, Van Winkle and Koemans.</p>
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<p>I have two lines (so far!) that lead back to Carpenters of both Rehoboth and Rhode Island, and am still attempting to sort them out. My gg grandmother was Phoebe Titus Dean, and her parents were Daniel Dean and Abigail Carpenter. This family…</p>
<p>Oh, how exciting for this Canadian grandmother to find you folks, many of whom must be distant cousins! My Rehoboth and Long Island names are: Carpenter, Titus, Millard, Dean, Haviland, Powell, Swazey Willots, Van Winkle and Koemans.</p>
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<p>I have two lines (so far!) that lead back to Carpenters of both Rehoboth and Rhode Island, and am still attempting to sort them out. My gg grandmother was Phoebe Titus Dean, and her parents were Daniel Dean and Abigail Carpenter. This family were Quakers, going back many generations. Phoebe T. Dean's grandsom, Edward Jay Lowe, was my grandfather; he left Michigan in 1908 for "free" (not quite, but that's another story!) land in southern Alberta, Canada, and never returned to the U.S. </p>
<p>I'm relatively new to genealogy, but have become passionate about discovering my American ancestors - I'm driving to New England in Sept, with an American cousin, to research as many of these ancestors as we can. I'd love to correspond with any of you who are interested - I have a lot to learn, an open mind and overwhelming curiosity!</p>
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<p>Gail in Vancouver</p> Hi Jason,
Apologies for the d…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2012-07-13:3463583:Comment:4547572012-07-13T15:29:34.220ZRP Brookshttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/RPBrooks
<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>Apologies for the delay. Somehow I missed your posted question. </p>
<p>We believe that Ralph P., son of John and Hannah, was indeed Ralph Peacock Germain.</p>
<p>His son, according to the Cox History on Google Books was Ralph Peacock Germain as well.…</p>
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<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>Apologies for the delay. Somehow I missed your posted question. </p>
<p>We believe that Ralph P., son of John and Hannah, was indeed Ralph Peacock Germain.</p>
<p>His son, according to the Cox History on Google Books was Ralph Peacock Germain as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=2xpGAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=ralph+peacock+germain+cox&source=bl&ots=NG-NuZnwrc&sig=usglxGGHliLICSvRjc9lczwhf4A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ez4AUNqXFKji0gHK3r2qBw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ralph%20peacock%20germain%20cox&f=false" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=2xpGAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=ralph+peacock+germain+cox&source=bl&ots=NG-NuZnwrc&sig=usglxGGHliLICSvRjc9lczwhf4A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ez4AUNqXFKji0gHK3r2qBw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ralph%20peacock%20germain%20cox&f=false</a></p>
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<p>Thoughts or insights appreciated,</p>
<p>-ralph</p> Abigail Valentine became a Ki…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-09-13:3463583:Comment:3922332011-09-13T19:05:35.514ZJason Kirkhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JasonKirk
<p>Abigail Valentine became a Kirk she married William.</p>
<p>Deborah Seaman also became a Kirk she married John</p>
<p>Richard Kirk married Phoebe Robins then Ann Downing.</p>
<p>Richard and Ann had Daniel Daniel married Mary Titus.</p>
<p>Daniel and Mary had Joshua who married Hannah Cocks.</p>
<p>Daniel and Mary had Benjamin Kirk he owned a large estate on forest ave that he sold to Seaman. He passed and his mother Hannah moved to 143 school st where she passed. Joshua owned a mill and a 3…</p>
<p>Abigail Valentine became a Kirk she married William.</p>
<p>Deborah Seaman also became a Kirk she married John</p>
<p>Richard Kirk married Phoebe Robins then Ann Downing.</p>
<p>Richard and Ann had Daniel Daniel married Mary Titus.</p>
<p>Daniel and Mary had Joshua who married Hannah Cocks.</p>
<p>Daniel and Mary had Benjamin Kirk he owned a large estate on forest ave that he sold to Seaman. He passed and his mother Hannah moved to 143 school st where she passed. Joshua owned a mill and a 3 story building where the Cole's had a business. </p> Ralph (Peacock?) Germaintag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-09-13:3463583:Comment:3931912011-09-13T18:28:54.338ZJason Kirkhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JasonKirk
Ralph (<em>Peacock</em>?) <em>Germain</em>
Ralph (<em>Peacock</em>?) <em>Germain</em> I see the relation through th…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-09-13:3463583:Comment:3931862011-09-13T18:11:02.364ZJason Kirkhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JasonKirk
I see the relation through the Jones Line.<br />
<pre>Sarah Jones, b. 1703, dau. of Major Thomas and Freelove [Townsend] Jones,</pre>
<pre>of Oysterbay, gr.-dau. of Capt. Thonius Townsend of Oysterbay and R. I.</pre>
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I see the relation through the Jones Line.<br />
<pre>Sarah Jones, b. 1703, dau. of Major Thomas and Freelove [Townsend] Jones,</pre>
<pre>of Oysterbay, gr.-dau. of Capt. Thonius Townsend of Oysterbay and R. I.</pre>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="baseline"><b><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hempstead&id=I17436">Rebecca Frost</a></b> died date unknown. She married <b><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hempstead&id=I17435">John Underhill</a></b>. He died date unknown</td>
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Child of Rebecca Frost and John Underhill is:<table border="0">
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<td valign="baseline"><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hempstead&id=I7777">Anne Underhill</a> was born 3 Dec 1755, and died 14 Dec 1775 </td>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="baseline"><b><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hempstead&id=I7777">Anne Underhill</a></b> (Rebecca Frost<sup>1</sup>) was born 3 Dec 1755, and died 14 Dec 1775. She married <b><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hempstead&id=I7776">James Carpenter</a></b> ABT 1775. He was born 12 Feb 1752 in Red Springs, Musketa Cove (now Glen Cove), New York, and died 29 Jan 1820. Red Springs is reference to red spring colony off red spring Ln. Child of Anne Underhill and James Carpenter is: <table border="0">
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<td valign="baseline"><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hempstead&id=I7775">John Carpenter</a> was born 7 Dec 1775 in Red Springs, Musketa Cove (now Glen Cove), Long Island, New York, and died Sep 1834. I should have mentioned in my last post I'm also an ancestor of Frost.</td>
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<br/> My ancestors were Quaker also…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-09-13:3463583:Comment:3931842011-09-13T17:59:35.868ZJason Kirkhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JasonKirk
<p>My ancestors were Quaker also, Cocks,Seaman,Coles,Titius,Downing,Carpenter,Craft,Frost Weeks, and a few others. Family was mostly in Glen Cove (Musketa Cove) and Oyster Bay. Have been doing research for over a year.</p>
<p>My ancestors were Quaker also, Cocks,Seaman,Coles,Titius,Downing,Carpenter,Craft,Frost Weeks, and a few others. Family was mostly in Glen Cove (Musketa Cove) and Oyster Bay. Have been doing research for over a year.</p> Hi Jeanie,
I'm descended from…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-08-21:3463583:Comment:3811872011-08-21T03:43:13.422ZRP Brookshttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/RPBrooks
<p>Hi Jeanie,</p>
<p>I'm descended from the Germond/Jarman/German/Germains.</p>
<p>We have Golden/Goldings in the line (Hannah Golding, daughter of Daniel Golding of Greenwich, CT, who was married to John Germain of Oyster Bay)</p>
<p>And regarding the Germonds, you mentioned. There was an Isaac Germond of Hempstead, in our line, who transferred to his son, Charles German, in 1721 some of his land holdings in Greenwich, CT. [I am not certain of who Isaac's father was, what time line is your…</p>
<p>Hi Jeanie,</p>
<p>I'm descended from the Germond/Jarman/German/Germains.</p>
<p>We have Golden/Goldings in the line (Hannah Golding, daughter of Daniel Golding of Greenwich, CT, who was married to John Germain of Oyster Bay)</p>
<p>And regarding the Germonds, you mentioned. There was an Isaac Germond of Hempstead, in our line, who transferred to his son, Charles German, in 1721 some of his land holdings in Greenwich, CT. [I am not certain of who Isaac's father was, what time line is your Isaac?) Charles then had a son John, a daughter Mary (Gorman) who married one John Bullis and eventually moved to Armenia (Duchess Co., NY - as did many of the Germond/Germans from Long Island as far as I can tell). Mary and John Bullis cared for Charles' son Charles after his death. Some 40 years later, another Charles German/Jarman (of Greenwich) is captured during the whaleboat raid on Long Island to capture Judge Jones in the Revolutionary War. This Charles is the father of the John Germain mentioned above.</p>
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<p>Feel free to contact me directly at brooks.genealogy[at]gmail.com, so we can compare notes further.</p>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>-Ralph</p>