Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861 - Its Stance on Slavery - Genealogy Wise2024-03-28T12:39:44Zhttp://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/constitution-of-the?groupUrl=africanancestoredgenealogy&commentId=3463583%3AComment%3A412023&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou might want to check out a…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-12-14:3463583:Comment:4120232011-12-14T05:20:06.886ZMargo Lee Williamshttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/MargoLeeWilliams
You might want to check out an article in the Journal of AAHGS, Silas Chandler, A Black Confederate Hero<br />
by R. Elizabeth Chandler Yancy , in Volume 14, Numbers 1 & 2 (1995). Also there are several other resources on the topic, including several books. Among them: Black Confederates in the Civil War by Scott K. Williams <a href="http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm</a>. Here's another perspective…
You might want to check out an article in the Journal of AAHGS, Silas Chandler, A Black Confederate Hero<br />
by R. Elizabeth Chandler Yancy , in Volume 14, Numbers 1 & 2 (1995). Also there are several other resources on the topic, including several books. Among them: Black Confederates in the Civil War by Scott K. Williams <a href="http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm</a>. Here's another perspective with good references, Did blacks fight in combat for the Confederacy? <a href="http://civilwargazette.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/did-blacks-fight-in-combat-for-the-confederacy/" target="_blank">http://civilwargazette.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/did-blacks-fight-in-combat-for-the-confederacy/</a>. Also, EDUCATIONAL RESEARCH WEBSITE, (Black Confederate Soldiers), <a href="http://www.blackconfederatesoldiers.com/.And" target="_blank">http://www.blackconfederatesoldiers.com/.And</a> Petersburg Black Confederates, <a href="http://www.petersburgexpress.com/Petersburg_Black-CSA.html" target="_blank">http://www.petersburgexpress.com/Petersburg_Black-CSA.html</a>. And one of the best known resources: Black Southerners in Gray, Essays on Afro-Americans in the Confederate Armies, edited by Richard Rollins<br />
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Ok, We are genealogists here and family historians, and at the least reasonably good researchers. LOOK IT UP FOLKS! And something I was taught a long time ago, we need to stop expecting people in the past to hold the values of today. Like it or not, they had different values, a different world-view, and a different set of premises to work from. Most of our values, viewpoints, attitudes would have been unintelligible to them even on this topic. I know that bursts our bubbles sometimes, but it is what it is or rather what it was. Trust me, 100 years from now our descendants won't understand how on earth we made the choices we made. Several decades ago, our Nort…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-08-05:3463583:Comment:3730752011-08-05T00:42:00.964ZJames Alfred Locke Miller Jr.http://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JamesAlfredLockeMillerJr
Several decades ago, our North Carolina union partiipated in some sort of "march on Washington". In the mass parade, walk, or what-ever it was; a fellow middle aged member, he being "black" and I "white"; we started discussing the once institution of slavery in North Carolina. I mentioned some free blacks owned slaves, as did some Quakers. He disbelieved both. I explained it became increasingly hard for even whites to manumit slaves, especially if they were to remain in North Carolina as free…
Several decades ago, our North Carolina union partiipated in some sort of "march on Washington". In the mass parade, walk, or what-ever it was; a fellow middle aged member, he being "black" and I "white"; we started discussing the once institution of slavery in North Carolina. I mentioned some free blacks owned slaves, as did some Quakers. He disbelieved both. I explained it became increasingly hard for even whites to manumit slaves, especially if they were to remain in North Carolina as free men. That some free blacks purchased their wives to better protect and provide for their wives and children. This he could believe, but not Quaker slaveholders. I explained the Quakers were also pursuing beneficial "slavery". Pragmatically, as slaves they were practically better protected as slaves of white Quakers, than simply as free black men with little legal protection. Thanks Michael for pointing t…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-02-21:3463583:Comment:3256322011-02-21T16:40:34.641ZGeorge Gederhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/GeorgeGeder
Thanks Michael for pointing that out.<br />
Could the motivation for giving the 'former slaves' who were at least on the battlefields for the confederacy a pension was to stem the tide of mass migration from the South?
Thanks Michael for pointing that out.<br />
Could the motivation for giving the 'former slaves' who were at least on the battlefields for the confederacy a pension was to stem the tide of mass migration from the South? Confederate bonds were like a…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-02-09:3463583:Comment:3150152011-02-09T01:38:16.286ZKhathuhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/AaronDorsey
<p>Confederate bonds were like any other war bonds. They were used to raise money for the confederacy. The Ellis Family had invested more $9000.00 in the Confederate cause purchasing more than $2000 in war bonds.</p>
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<p>Confederate bonds were like any other war bonds. They were used to raise money for the confederacy. The Ellis Family had invested more $9000.00 in the Confederate cause purchasing more than $2000 in war bonds.</p>
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<p> </p> Wow!
Now that's interesting…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-02-03:3463583:Comment:3136642011-02-03T04:17:10.888ZGeorge Gederhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/GeorgeGeder
<p>Wow!</p>
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<p>Now that's interesting! Khathu, can you tell me/us more about the confederate war bonds and those who purchased them?</p>
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<p>Peace & Blessings,</p>
<p>"Guided by the Ancestors"</p>
<p>Wow!</p>
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<p>Now that's interesting! Khathu, can you tell me/us more about the confederate war bonds and those who purchased them?</p>
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<p>Peace & Blessings,</p>
<p>"Guided by the Ancestors"</p> I would say that there were s…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2011-02-03:3463583:Comment:3136612011-02-03T03:25:34.780ZKhathuhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/AaronDorsey
<p>I would say that there were some Free People of Color who owned enslaved Africans and had an invested interest in maintaining the system of chattel slavery. Although, they were not allowed to fight in the confederate army, many showed their support by purchasing confederate war bonds. The Ellison Family of Sumter District, South Carolina is one family.</p>
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<p>I would say that there were some Free People of Color who owned enslaved Africans and had an invested interest in maintaining the system of chattel slavery. Although, they were not allowed to fight in the confederate army, many showed their support by purchasing confederate war bonds. The Ellison Family of Sumter District, South Carolina is one family.</p>
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Good points!
I, for…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-08-21:3463583:Comment:2811862010-08-21T04:28:43.314ZGeorge Gederhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/GeorgeGeder
Albert,<br />
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Good points!<br />
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I, for one, would like to see the rolls of those who <b><i>'Enlisted'</i></b> that were black!<br />
Were they fair skinned and used this opportunity to make some money and get from under the whip?<br />
Were they dark skinned and used this opportunity to buy their way out of slavery?<br />
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Now, was Beason an arms yielding soldier? Or was his grave marker etched to make us think so?<br />
If he was a legitimate soldier, where are his compatriots? In other words, it would take documented proof…
Albert,<br />
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Good points!<br />
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I, for one, would like to see the rolls of those who <b><i>'Enlisted'</i></b> that were black!<br />
Were they fair skinned and used this opportunity to make some money and get from under the whip?<br />
Were they dark skinned and used this opportunity to buy their way out of slavery?<br />
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Now, was Beason an arms yielding soldier? Or was his grave marker etched to make us think so?<br />
If he was a legitimate soldier, where are his compatriots? In other words, it would take documented proof and numbers comparable to the USCT to convince this African Ancestored Family Historian that such a group, called the black confederates, ever existed.<br />
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If there are any descendants of the so-called descendants of black confederates; you need to step up and quell this debate!<br />
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Peace,<br />
"Guided by the Ancestors" George:
It is my understandi…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-08-18:3463583:Comment:2803102010-08-18T17:14:10.044ZAlbert Colberthttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/AlbertColbert
George:<br />
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It is my understanding that for about a year leading up to General Orders #14, there was a debate about using slaves to fight for the Confederacy, in exchange for their freedom (advanced primarily by General Cleburne). Jefferson Davis resisted it until the last minute, March 1865, when he relented, but the history appears ambiguous as to if freedom was promised for service. You must also keep in mind that most that enlisted probably did not have the option to join the Union forces as…
George:<br />
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It is my understanding that for about a year leading up to General Orders #14, there was a debate about using slaves to fight for the Confederacy, in exchange for their freedom (advanced primarily by General Cleburne). Jefferson Davis resisted it until the last minute, March 1865, when he relented, but the history appears ambiguous as to if freedom was promised for service. You must also keep in mind that most that enlisted probably did not have the option to join the Union forces as some others did (including at least 3 of my own ancestors) and took this nebulous chance at freedom as it was presented. To date, I have only encountered one black Confederate soldier in my research, by the name of Beason. I saw on his tombstone in a church cemetery where my 3G grandmother is buried that he served for a MS regiment of the Confederacy.<br />
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As a sidenote, I don't see where conscription was ever used by the Confederacy in regard to black soldiers, although I'm sure it was seriously debated at the time as the war started to turn south on them (pun intended).