Australian Convicts Lookups - Genealogy Wise2024-03-28T17:30:24Zhttp://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/australian-convicts-lookups?groupUrl=australia&xg_source=activity&groupId=3463583%3AGroup%3A12987&id=3463583%3ATopic%3A236105&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOh - just two more things...…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2019-07-23:3463583:Comment:7688552019-07-23T00:33:17.012ZKat McNamarahttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/KatMcNamara
<p>Oh - just two more things... found a newspaper clipping from the Maitland Mercury and Hunter River General Advertiser 29 Jul 1876.. where Sophia Beard gave witness on the death of someone ... her statement begins with "I am matron of the Benevolent Asylum, West Maitland".</p>
<p>Thats where she died... so they may have some info as well</p>
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<p>In the same paper on 13 Oct 1847, a John Roberts a patient at a convalescent hospital (doesnt say where but assume Newcastle) assisted police…</p>
<p>Oh - just two more things... found a newspaper clipping from the Maitland Mercury and Hunter River General Advertiser 29 Jul 1876.. where Sophia Beard gave witness on the death of someone ... her statement begins with "I am matron of the Benevolent Asylum, West Maitland".</p>
<p>Thats where she died... so they may have some info as well</p>
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<p>In the same paper on 13 Oct 1847, a John Roberts a patient at a convalescent hospital (doesnt say where but assume Newcastle) assisted police in connection with a robbery..</p> Hi Linda
I too am researchin…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2019-07-23:3463583:Comment:7690772019-07-23T00:22:36.909ZKat McNamarahttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/KatMcNamara
<p>Hi Linda</p>
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<p>I too am researching John Roberts & Sophie Chapman... couple of things i've discovered... </p>
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<li>Mary Ann was born in 1849 - so conception could of been in 1848 dont know what day/month she was born as yet</li>
<li>Sophie married Charles Dicks 2nd Nov 1849</li>
<li>John Roberts died on 29 October 1849</li>
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<p>Could Mary Ann be Charles daughter... am trying to get some records from NSW archives to see if they can give admission dates... and…</p>
<p>Hi Linda</p>
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<p>I too am researching John Roberts & Sophie Chapman... couple of things i've discovered... </p>
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<li>Mary Ann was born in 1849 - so conception could of been in 1848 dont know what day/month she was born as yet</li>
<li>Sophie married Charles Dicks 2nd Nov 1849</li>
<li>John Roberts died on 29 October 1849</li>
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<p>Could Mary Ann be Charles daughter... am trying to get some records from NSW archives to see if they can give admission dates... and reasons for admission... John must of still been with Sophia in 1848 for her to fall pregnant and give birth in 1849.- or maybe not maybe she conceived in 1849..how did Charles Dicks emerge on the scene? seems stranged that all 3 things happened that year...and 2 of the events within 5 days of each other</p>
<p>On Mary Janes and John Cliftons marriage cert the witness was Charles Dix.. they married 24 Dec 1865</p>
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<p>The application to marry was refused in 1844 - that was 7 years from Sophia's arrival which was 1837 - maybe because the Henry Wellesley didnt actual disembark until 3 January 1838..</p>
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<p>Have obtained burial cert for John but only gives date of death, where buried and age... nothing else and there is no death cert on NSW BDMs. Will order Mary Janes birth cert now ...</p>
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<p>Kind regards</p> Hi Rosie and thank you. I ha…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-12-10:3463583:Comment:2971172010-12-10T10:47:06.505ZMichelle Kirwanhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/MichelleKirwan
<p>Hi Rosie and thank you. I have never found/seen the Elijah Eildon death record, so thats a new one on me... but it's in 1892 - there are so many fishy things about this - either as you say all the records are with different spelling or something else was up. If Elijah Eildon is the same Elijah who married Rosanna, then he was still alive (and presumably still married to Rosanna/Rosina, when she married James Hammond... all very interesting. Her name change is also interesting, as its not…</p>
<p>Hi Rosie and thank you. I have never found/seen the Elijah Eildon death record, so thats a new one on me... but it's in 1892 - there are so many fishy things about this - either as you say all the records are with different spelling or something else was up. If Elijah Eildon is the same Elijah who married Rosanna, then he was still alive (and presumably still married to Rosanna/Rosina, when she married James Hammond... all very interesting. Her name change is also interesting, as its not a pronunciation type of error, and she appears to be literate, and signing her own name on the certificates. She came out here as Rosanna, married the first time as Rosanna, and then married the second time as Rosina, had a daughter called Rosina and died as Rosina. I'll keep plugging away, if anyone else has anything to add - even a theory, I'd be glad to hear it.</p>
<p>Michelle </p> The only Ealden on the Port J…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-12-09:3463583:Comment:2970742010-12-09T23:46:27.756ZRosiehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/Rosie619
<p>The <strong>only</strong> Ealden on the Port Jackson Anthology is James who arrived in 1831 on the Lady Harewood (2), after being tried in Maidstone in 1830, sentenced to Life, aged 41yrs. Other lists give the trial date more exactly as 15th July 1830.</p>
<p>He is on the register for the retribution hulk, at Woolwich.</p>
<p>James Ealden is on the 1841 census at Parramatta,</p>
<p>He was granted a conditional pardon, which was gazetted (in NSW) September 1848</p>
<p>There is no record of…</p>
<p>The <strong>only</strong> Ealden on the Port Jackson Anthology is James who arrived in 1831 on the Lady Harewood (2), after being tried in Maidstone in 1830, sentenced to Life, aged 41yrs. Other lists give the trial date more exactly as 15th July 1830.</p>
<p>He is on the register for the retribution hulk, at Woolwich.</p>
<p>James Ealden is on the 1841 census at Parramatta,</p>
<p>He was granted a conditional pardon, which was gazetted (in NSW) September 1848</p>
<p>There is no record of James Ealden using and alias.</p>
<p>I can find no NSW BDM records for James Ealden using a variety of alternate spellings, but there is a death record for Elijah <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Eildon</span> in Parramatta in 1892. There is the solitary marriage record for Elijah Ealden and Rosanna Lynch in C of E Melbourne in 1840.</p>
<p>Ealdon is an easy name to mis-spell, but I wasn't successful with any thing I tried.</p>
<p>You have obviously been very thorough in your research, and I'm sorry I have little to add.</p> Hi Rosie
I'm trying to work o…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-12-08:3463583:Comment:2968652010-12-08T15:13:21.027ZMichelle Kirwanhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/MichelleKirwan
Hi Rosie<br></br>
I'm trying to work out if the Elijah Ealden who married my great great great grandmother, Rosanna/Rosina Lynch was really James Ealden a convict who arrived in Victoria (NSW) in 1831 aboard "Lady Harewood".<br></br>
I have index entries for James - ticket of leave, conditional pardon, he appears in the registers for the Hulk "Retribution" in Woolwich and was transported there from Maidstone, and left there to go to NSW. He's in the 1841 census in Parramatta.<br></br>
Elijah Ealden doesnt…
Hi Rosie<br/>
I'm trying to work out if the Elijah Ealden who married my great great great grandmother, Rosanna/Rosina Lynch was really James Ealden a convict who arrived in Victoria (NSW) in 1831 aboard "Lady Harewood".<br/>
I have index entries for James - ticket of leave, conditional pardon, he appears in the registers for the Hulk "Retribution" in Woolwich and was transported there from Maidstone, and left there to go to NSW. He's in the 1841 census in Parramatta.<br/>
Elijah Ealden doesnt seem to appear anywhere except in Melbourne in November 1840, marrying Rosannah Lynch who had arrived on "Himalaya" (recorded as Rosanna) in September 1840, a Bounty Passenger 20/21 years old.<br/>
When she remarried, she was Rosina Ealden formerly Lynch, a widow and gave the date of her first husband's death as 10 July 1857. She married James Hammond in Collins St Melbourne on 13 March 1858 and recorded having one child from her previous marriage. At her death she is recorded as having had 2 marriages and a child from each marriage - Marion aged 38 and Rosina aged 30. On Rosina Hammond's birth cert she is Rosina Hammond nee Lynch. Her first husband on her death cert is recorded as John Phillips.<br/>
I can find no record anywhere of Elijah Ealden or Marion as Ealden, Lynch, Hammond or Phillips. I have found a birth entry for Mary J Lynch par James Lynch and Rosanna, in the right year for Marion to be 39 when her mother died.I havent yet purchased the certificate<br/>
Any help would be greatly appreciated - more background and my theories about this are <a rel="nofollow" href="http://michellesheritage.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/the-lynchealden-puzzle/" target="_blank">here</a> if you are interested. Thanks Rosie that is very hel…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-10-24:3463583:Comment:2920322010-10-24T04:45:21.778ZBeverly Sedgehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/BeverlySedge
Thanks Rosie that is very helpful. Now I will try and search out a death record, perhaps he left NSW?<br />
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Thanks again this is great!<br />
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Bev
Thanks Rosie that is very helpful. Now I will try and search out a death record, perhaps he left NSW?<br />
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Thanks again this is great!<br />
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Bev Jesse Higgins was sentenced t…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-10-24:3463583:Comment:2920082010-10-24T00:08:23.543ZRosiehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/Rosie619
Jesse Higgins was sentenced to life at the Kent Assizes on 28th June 1836, and sailed for NSW 25th March 1837 on the Lloyd.<br />
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He was granted a Ticket of leave and allowed to remain in the district of Patrick's Plains (now Singleton).<br />
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He was given a conditional pardon 15 March 1852 and a notice appeared in The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser on Saturday 12 June 1852 announcing it. A conditional pardon did NOT allow him to return to England.<br />
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You can buy copies of theses…
Jesse Higgins was sentenced to life at the Kent Assizes on 28th June 1836, and sailed for NSW 25th March 1837 on the Lloyd.<br />
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He was granted a Ticket of leave and allowed to remain in the district of Patrick's Plains (now Singleton).<br />
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He was given a conditional pardon 15 March 1852 and a notice appeared in The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser on Saturday 12 June 1852 announcing it. A conditional pardon did NOT allow him to return to England.<br />
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You can buy copies of theses documents online - <a href="http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-convict-records" target="_blank">www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-convict-records</a><br />
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In 1854 he was charge with stealing and appeared before the magistrates in Maitland- but the charge was dismissed for lack of evidence, which you can read about online <a href="http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home" target="_blank">http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home</a><br />
In May 1855 he is listed as acontributor to the Patriotic Fund (he gave 10 shillings)<br />
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I can not find a marriage or a death record for him in NSW, nor can I find any children born in NSW with Jesse Higgins as father.<br />
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Hope this helps.<br />
Rosie Hi Rosie,
It is very generous…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-10-16:3463583:Comment:2909622010-10-16T15:47:23.513ZBeverly Sedgehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/BeverlySedge
Hi Rosie,<br/>
It is very generous of you to do this for people, I wonder if you can help me?<br/>
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My relative is Jesse Higgins. He served life for stealing sheep in 1834. He traveled on the Lloyds ship in 1837 dep Mar 1837 and arriving in New South Wales in July 1837. I am interested in finding anything I can out about him. Do you think he will be in Lesley Uebel's Convict Anthology ? Let me know if you need anything more.<br/>
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Bev
Hi Rosie,<br/>
It is very generous of you to do this for people, I wonder if you can help me?<br/>
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My relative is Jesse Higgins. He served life for stealing sheep in 1834. He traveled on the Lloyds ship in 1837 dep Mar 1837 and arriving in New South Wales in July 1837. I am interested in finding anything I can out about him. Do you think he will be in Lesley Uebel's Convict Anthology ? Let me know if you need anything more.<br/>
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Bev Hi Rosie,
They were tricky q…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-03-11:3463583:Comment:2373182010-03-11T22:55:50.607ZLinda Otteryhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/LindaKOttery
Hi Rosie,<br />
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They were tricky questions that I had not been able to answer myself, but having access to the Lunatic Asylum Records will be great!<br />
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And I had not thought about the "7 year rule" that applies to marriages, so that does answer two of my questions - I don't thnk Charles Dcks was a convict, just a third husband! - Maybe she met John early on and went by the name of Roberts from 1937 onwards; they did arrive close together? and maybe the spelling was "Laurence" ? - something I just…
Hi Rosie,<br />
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They were tricky questions that I had not been able to answer myself, but having access to the Lunatic Asylum Records will be great!<br />
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And I had not thought about the "7 year rule" that applies to marriages, so that does answer two of my questions - I don't thnk Charles Dcks was a convict, just a third husband! - Maybe she met John early on and went by the name of Roberts from 1937 onwards; they did arrive close together? and maybe the spelling was "Laurence" ? - something I just thought of and will look into later.<br />
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So actually you were a great help and many thanks for your time and effort.<br />
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I have many common names in my family; Roberts, Morgan, Smith, Johnson, Jones, so It does become difficult differentiating one from the other - something exotic along the way would have been nice!<br />
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Cheers from Linda 1.I found a reference to John…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-03-11:3463583:Comment:2372122010-03-11T10:40:02.501ZRosiehttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/Rosie619
1.I found a reference to John getting in trouble for stealing from his empoyer in 1846 <a href="http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/684612?searchTerm=%22John+Roberts%22+Maitland+bench" target="_blank">http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/684612?searchTerm=%22J...</a>.<br />
There are a few mentions of John Roberts in the Maitland Mercury around the decade, but as it is a fairly common name I'm not 100% sure that it is your man. The offences range from perjury to theft.<br />
Paramatta…
1.I found a reference to John getting in trouble for stealing from his empoyer in 1846 <a href="http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/684612?searchTerm=%22John+Roberts%22+Maitland+bench" target="_blank">http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/684612?searchTerm=%22J...</a>.<br />
There are a few mentions of John Roberts in the Maitland Mercury around the decade, but as it is a fairly common name I'm not 100% sure that it is your man. The offences range from perjury to theft.<br />
Paramatta Lunatic Asylum records are kept at the NSW State Archives -western Sydney <a href="http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=" target="_blank">http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=</a>\Agency\62\Series\Creating<br />
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2. I can find Sophia on the list of convicts to Port Jackson, but nothing more than you already know.<br />
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3. Women who were married were not permitted to remarry in Australia for 7 years. it seems to have been common practice that if a couple had been parted for 7 years with no possibility of reuniting, then remarriage was permitted. Although male convicts could have their families shipped out to join them at the goverment expense- after they had earned a ticket of leave, female convicts were never allowed that option. As the woman could not return home, and the husband could not come to Australia, re-union was impossible.<br />
Your Sophia left England in 1837, and in 1842 she was only here 5 years when she applied to marry.<br />
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I can't find Charles Dick on any of my data bases and reference lists, sorry.<br />
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Not much help, I'm afraid.<br />
Rosie