R1a1 - Genealogy Wise2024-03-28T09:49:47Zhttp://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/3463583:Topic:31080?groupUrl=geneticgenealogy&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks Jennifer, I'll look in…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-03-13:3463583:Comment:2379232010-03-13T17:26:33.714ZRobert Sliwinskihttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/RobertSliwinski
Thanks Jennifer, I'll look into it.
Thanks Jennifer, I'll look into it. If I'm correct, there are 2 n…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2010-02-01:3463583:Comment:2256192010-02-01T14:25:44.747ZJENNIFER RIPLEYhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/JENNIFERRIPLEY
If I'm correct, there are 2 new R1a groupings from Poland with much discussion. Please take a look at DNA_Forums.com<br />
Jennifer
If I'm correct, there are 2 new R1a groupings from Poland with much discussion. Please take a look at DNA_Forums.com<br />
Jennifer Just recently a paper by Unde…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2009-11-17:3463583:Comment:2072982009-11-17T17:29:46.937ZRobert Sliwinskihttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/RobertSliwinski
Just recently a paper by Underhill et. al 2009 entitled "Separating the post Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y-chromosomes within haplogroup R1a" was published in the European Journal of Human Genetics.<br />
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Wikipedia has also been updated on R1a as well based on this new information on new subclades of R1a.<br />
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Based on Underhill et. al (2009)R1a1 is now R1a1a. The main two subclades are R1a1a* and R1a1a7. R1a1a7 is positive for M458 an SNP that separate it from the rest of R1a1a. It is…
Just recently a paper by Underhill et. al 2009 entitled "Separating the post Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y-chromosomes within haplogroup R1a" was published in the European Journal of Human Genetics.<br />
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Wikipedia has also been updated on R1a as well based on this new information on new subclades of R1a.<br />
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Based on Underhill et. al (2009)R1a1 is now R1a1a. The main two subclades are R1a1a* and R1a1a7. R1a1a7 is positive for M458 an SNP that separate it from the rest of R1a1a. It is significant because M458 is a European marker and the epicenter is Poland. I've ordered the M458 test to see if I am positive or not. I encourage those R1a1's out there to see if you have that marker since it may provide a better idea of geographic origin than before (through FTDNA). The paper also pointed out that R1a1a influence into India was not from Europe since the M458 marker is rare in India.<br />
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Robert Hi Teresa,
Thanks for readin…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2009-08-16:3463583:Comment:1390712009-08-16T16:06:04.082ZRobert Sliwinskihttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/RobertSliwinski
Hi Teresa,<br />
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Thanks for reading my post. The Mongols were indeed great horsemen and advanced upon riding techniques like no other group - I saw a documentary about the gentleman that re-created the style of riding and shooting his bow in rapid fire as the Mongol warriors developed. But the influence of the domestication of the horse was originally started in central asia (over 4000 years ago) west of Mongolia. As R1a spread throughout central asia on horseback (and chariot) other early cultures…
Hi Teresa,<br />
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Thanks for reading my post. The Mongols were indeed great horsemen and advanced upon riding techniques like no other group - I saw a documentary about the gentleman that re-created the style of riding and shooting his bow in rapid fire as the Mongol warriors developed. But the influence of the domestication of the horse was originally started in central asia (over 4000 years ago) west of Mongolia. As R1a spread throughout central asia on horseback (and chariot) other early cultures adopted the domesticated horse including the early Mongols. R1a is very widespread, due to the horse, from the edges in the UK based on viking expansions, to dispersal to Mongolia and parts of China and also south to India.<br />
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However, the Mongols were of a different haplogroup - mainly haplogroup C. Mongols definitely had a stronghold in Hungary as their language today gives away (I think Altaic). There is an ethnic group in Poland known as Tartars that have Eastern ancestors that stayed.<br />
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Others have said that I may have Gypsy ancestry because of the distant association with India. However, the gypsies that migrated into Europe are also a different haplogroup - F.<br />
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Human migration is a complicated story, but it has been fascinating to learn about. My maternal side is more clear with direct ties to Poland being H2a2, but there are potential matches all over Europe. I'm still working that out. Genetic genealogy is both challenging and fun. : ) Have you tested yet?<br />
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Robert Robert,
I don't know anythin…tag:www.genealogywise.com,2009-08-16:3463583:Comment:1389292009-08-16T13:25:54.985ZTeresa McVeighhttp://www.genealogywise.com/profile/TeresaMcVeigh
Robert,<br />
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I don't know anything about this haplogroup or the controversy--I just happened upon your post reading the messages in this group, but I would suspect that your genes came into Poland from the Mongol invasion, or a later Hungarian immigrant to/invader of Poland (Mongols definitely invaded Hungary). The Mongols were mighty early horsemen ;-).<br />
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Teresa
Robert,<br />
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I don't know anything about this haplogroup or the controversy--I just happened upon your post reading the messages in this group, but I would suspect that your genes came into Poland from the Mongol invasion, or a later Hungarian immigrant to/invader of Poland (Mongols definitely invaded Hungary). The Mongols were mighty early horsemen ;-).<br />
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Teresa